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and good morning from Philadelphia and

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James coming in from West us in New York

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this is UFO News Network Sunday we've

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got with us today

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Chris Wolford joining us after our

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little two-week vacation and Chris good

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morning to you sir good morning how are

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you gentlemen I'm doing fine ready to go

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I enjoyed my vacation but I'm glad to be

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getting back into this chris is a UFO

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researcher a contact he himself had some

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contact with the the Nolan green study

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as a prospective subject with that

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particular study and we were talking

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before we even got rolling we were

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talking a little bit about a little bit

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about everything with sprite which is I

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was probably good enough to put on the

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air but we got into it a little soon now

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we were talking about the the atacama

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mummy and the controversy surrounding

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that with Steven Greer making all sorts

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of claims negative claims about Stanford

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University and Gary Nolan and Chris you

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know Gary no hole a little bit I've

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dealt with him a little bit - James

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you've dealt with him a little bit - we

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think he's an okay guy don't we yeah

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yeah of the to the stars Academy group I

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think he's you know at least on the

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grassroots as far as dealing with

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researchers he's been the most open and

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receptive to offering you know his his

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version of in what you know alluding to

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what the direction may be in certain

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topics he's not well let me a lot yeah I

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know you know I was gonna say a lot of

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the other a lot of the other TTS a guys

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are just completely silent on that I

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would agree and or they believe their

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Facebook's or they you can't add them

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you had the message of madness to come

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very very hard no no one has been

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wonderful I mean the first interaction

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ever had with him he came to my aid when

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I was being attacked for sharing my

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experience

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whatever this phenomenon is at 4 years

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old and he said to the people listen

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Chris if he's experienced that then he

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knows there's no question in his mind

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now other people they can have questions

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that's fine but in his mind it really

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didn't happen so you had to lease to

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listen to him and take his word on it

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versus just wanting to debunk me and or

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throw rocks at my you know what I've

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said so he's been nothing but very nice

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and cordial even when I had to deal with

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a situation that was not my own with him

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kind of loosely with another UFO

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researcher which we will get into later

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on ok ok so basically that bad that

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contact with dr. Nolan that predates

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your possibly getting involved with the

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study that he's working on with that

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yeah it was well before that I basically

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what happened with me I found out

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because of two things one was grant

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Cameron had picked up on that he was

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part of this experience her study at

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state not so much at Stanford but on his

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own and working with kit green maybe

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it's Stanford I don't know I don't

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really ask you know how much they do

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really look at that stuff there I don't

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know I wasn't told but so I became aware

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through grand Cameron in the book

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phenomenon from Amy Jacobson and then I

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realized early on that John burrows was

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also one of the first people that they

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had worked with so I kind of knew that

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if I was ever gonna get as close as I

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could to what I dealt with he'd be

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probably a good guy to interact with and

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I would I wouldn't bug him that's the

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thing like I I don't want to come off as

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like I didn't want to bug him so I would

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message him here and there and we talked

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and finally I would say early January

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in on facebook messenger to go back and

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forth

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I shared my experience he said he didn't

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get to read it initially because he was

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so busy and I sent to him another link

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that was on Facebook that was a written

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testimony that he could easily digest

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and understand and he got back to me

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like a month later done till February

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and I basically said listen I would love

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to be a part of this study if I you know

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if you're willing to even entertain that

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idea and he said yeah let me look at

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your experience again let me get back to

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you and basically how it went down is he

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never really committed to me yes no he

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just strum me I shouldn't say strung me

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along but alluded to the fact that yes

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you would be a good consideration with

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what you've had to happen and your your

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background with you having open heart

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surgery it's very intriguing not that

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that was the case of like my open heart

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surgery wasn't the cause of what I

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experienced but it was interesting of

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note that because I've had these other

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surgeries or other medical issues they

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thought that was very interesting and

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that was a very good way to kind of

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approach my experiences through that so

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basically two things happened

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the MJB Nyhus Tabaco with him and then

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the John Burroughs on my own kind of

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bugging John Burroughs a little a little

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bit here and there asking him you know

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what do I expect you know what is the

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protocol and basically John Burroughs

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who is a nice guy we had yes he is

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absolutely a nice guy

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yeah he we have to remember he is a nice

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guy he went to a very traumatic event I

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may not agree with everything he says

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but with that being said he still was

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part of this nolan kit green study and i

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wanted it desperately to find out what

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it was like and that's when dr. Gary

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Nolan got back in touch with me and said

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Chris sadly you're no longer being

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considered as the candidate for this

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study because you're not you weren't in

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the military okay and I kind of knew

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that was gonna be the case because

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everything I had read and been told it

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was former military people there were a

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few civilians but I don't know let's our

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blood so I would be only one that I'm

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aware of

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okay Whitley Strieber really screams

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alright so well maybe I'm not popular

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enough yet but you got to get a couple

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yeah I would think that you know nobody

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said anything but I think a prime

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candidate that they would have looked at

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for as far as not another it would be

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Travis Walton just cuz of how just yeah

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and honestly I would not be surprised if

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that that he is a candidate and nobody's

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kind of opened a lid on that but who

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knows who knows that's just my own

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speculation yeah and then I tried to

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because I kind of took that news kind of

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hard then I was exploring the option of

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tracking down kit green because I don't

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think people realize he lives in here in

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Michigan where I live currently and he

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doesn't live that far away from me and I

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know where the hospital he works at now

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and I didn't want to get like stalkerish

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I didn't want to go and just bombard him

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one day at work and be like hey I would

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like to do it because I've heard through

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the grapevine that he just shuts people

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down big time you wanna talk about

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anything just some job off the street so

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I didn't think that was the best

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approach so I can't let Gary Nolan be

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and then he always would be nice to me

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and I would ask him questions about to

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the stars and he'd share some things and

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I've always thought he was an up and up

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guy he was there's nothing shady about

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him the only thing that I did not like

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and it kind of resolved itself a little

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bit now that he's on Twitter and he's

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talking a little bit is he delese his

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facebook account because supposedly the

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whole camber

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Jenica thing which i is hilarious to me

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but whatever I mean if you wanted this

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privacy one in his privacy I get it

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but I just don't buy that was the sole

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reason why he wanted to delete his

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facebook I believe that he was he was at

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one point we and you guys could attest

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to this he was talking to a lot of

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people on favor he was talking to me

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examples well I'm just saying that he

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was saying a lot of things that I don't

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think to the Stars was necessarily happy

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to have to control him so they basically

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and I don't know this but it would make

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sense to me my own opinion to basically

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tell him hey you need to cool it either

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delete your Facebook or don't go on

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there and he obviously if he still has a

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he's gonna want to respond eventually so

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just deleted it and he gave a weeks

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notice but I just found that very

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interesting and then also I will say

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also there's some other interesting

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people I would say in the in the

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invisible college world that were

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connected to going on loosely or

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absolutely I'm sure Diane was all caught

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being number one and she deleted her

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facebook to because she said that she

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delete it because it was a conflict of

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interest with the school which again I

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don't buy whatsoever but that's that

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whatever but I just find that very

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interesting that all these people there

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that are close to whatever the supposed

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truth is they go dark and yeah

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disheartening a little bit you kind of

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have to follow them and be stalkerish

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because you really have no choice I mean

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two stars has done I thought a fantastic

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job of relating these events and getting

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them out and Tom DeLonge love them or

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hate them

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he's been as good as he could be getting

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his stuff out on social media now that

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doesn't come into the whole Joe Rogan

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podcast debacle and I'm gonna get into

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I think that he's done a very good job

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at least on social media giving us what

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we need in other elements to to kind of

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piece this together and realize that

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this is not something a that we've seen

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before and B this is totally something

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new and C we really need to pay

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attention to it because it's literally

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changing by the day yeah in the

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Washington Post they just did another

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article the other day you know saying

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you know this is you know you can thank

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the guy that guy from blink-182 for the

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media taking your photo seriously I

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counted 10 articles now some of them

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were the original Washington Post

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article but some of them are new

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articles Newsweek rodent wrote on it so

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fret wrote on it which is a military

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trade publication there was a science

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science website in the sense of like

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it's like accredited or anything but the

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fact that they picked up on the story is

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huge in my opinion yeah a scientific

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American wrote an article they talked to

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a justice from to the stars

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really yeah this is back this was back

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either late December or early January

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but they did some science sites are

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picking up on a little bit here and

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they're not I mean most of them most of

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them I think have at least touched on it

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at least a little bit they've written

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the story here a story there but and

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Billy Cox is back in the game the so

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yeah the [\h__\h] back in the game and I

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kind of knew that was going to happen

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one of the something was going to bring

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him back in and this did it so he's back

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in the end you know he's always bringing

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his curmudgeonly attitude to every

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situation but he's great you know he's

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one of the guys whose great nap is on it

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it is picking up it is picking up but

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not a whole lot of new information and

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one thing that's not coming out at all

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from the to to the stars Academy is the

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contactee angle there's not touching

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that with the 10-foot Pole openly even

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though we know behind the scenes they're

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doing it and I think that's kind of

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interesting what are your thoughts on

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all that Chris

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I honestly agree with Grant Cameron you

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have to lead and walk the public to a

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this phenomenon is real that's the first

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step

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number two would be to release some more

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footage maybe some more papers and give

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them to the Washington Post New York

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Times stuff like that and let it being

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the the the zeitgeist of America for a

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while or even the whole world for a

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little bit so I can look like ferment

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and then you go of the angle of well

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alright so this phenomenon is real what

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is this phenomenon and who is behind

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this phenomenon and I think if you were

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just to say simply that they're aliens

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you would be doing a giant disservice to

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your own program your own agenda and

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quite honestly you get the real cool

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factor right back going 100% or again

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within at least America and Americans

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will not take it seriously but if you

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slowly welcome to this phenomenon that's

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real and the government the US

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government has been studying it for

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quite a long time then I think you're

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gonna get somewhere but if you just come

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out and say me yet they're aliens and

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you proper mate that yes we have not

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been alone for the last whatever many

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millions or hundreds of thousands years

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you're gonna look kind of silly in my

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opinion and I honestly think that's why

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they have not chose to go with that the

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others you know they're not talking

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about the others they're only talking

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about it was a tic-tac we have to go

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fast video we had the nimitz event with

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it being underwater and you have stuff

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above the water in the sky so I don't

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think right now we're to the point where

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we're gonna want to talk about the

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possible perspective the you know

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis just yet so

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[Music]

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yeah the other thing to talk about a

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little bit is the materials

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and that's some pretty interesting stuff

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and that goes back quite a ways I mean

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that actually goes back decades at

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various possibly ETF fragments pieces of

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metal alloys have been turned up they

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have been studied and professor peter

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Sturrock from stanford wrote a paper

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just at the tail end of the last century

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late 1990s i believe it there's no

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specific day on it but based on that of

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the citations he includes I would have

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to say it was written in the late 90s he

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couldn't figure out where this this

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piece that he these pieces he came

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across from the Yuba tuba incident in

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Brazil which goes back apparently yeah

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the incident itself happened in the

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thirties 1930s and the material started

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getting studied in the 1950s he couldn't

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figure out where the stuff was

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manufactured which is kind of important

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kind of kind of it's it's important you

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know that's he dug pretty deep he went

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through in this paper

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how much digging he did and still

367
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couldn't figure out who made this stuff

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yeah to be honest I don't think that

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will ever truly understand the the metal

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material and amount of materials a

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hundred percent I think we're gonna just

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on the same enough that they're they're

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not from here that doesn't mean that

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they're ie extraterrestrial were they

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coming from in there and they can't be

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manufactured by processes that we have

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currently on earth or machines or

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technology here on earth which is very

379
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interesting I know Jimmy Korbel and

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patient 17 with nano man he talks about

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that length that the stuff is not found

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here on earth and it cannot be machined

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here on earth so where's the stuff from

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I mean you you are left with a few

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answers you know and again that would

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then point back against his

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extraterrestrial but I would argue let's

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not go that route just yeah let's kind

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of

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look at this phenomenon as a whole and

391
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now how it interacts with people and how

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it affects people and how it has a

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trickster innate nature to itself when

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Yuri look in this topic deeply it looks

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back at you and I'm not the only one

396
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saying this I've talked to quite a few

397
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researchers quite a few experiencers

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they all say the same thing when you

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truly get through the one on one stuff

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and you start to look and dig down the

401
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phenomenon actually looks back at you no

402
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no I'm not gonna say like a grey alien

403
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appears in your house or anything or you

404
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have a ship hovering above your house

405
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but you you start to pick up on little

406
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weird things that happen to you in your

407
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life that cannot be explained I could

408
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share those experiences that I've had in

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my life yeah yeah we want to get to that

410
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we do all right actually I did ee ee

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back before we get to that though let's

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what were you able to pick up about what

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the the green Nolan study I was going to

414
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do as far as you know I bring in bring

415
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in contact these and studying them we

416
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talked a little bit about this before

417
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there was going to be a control group

418
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grant has talked about an experiment

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where they would have a contact you get

420
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location a being in it in an MRI machine

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and then another one also in an MRI at

422
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point B and apparently what they were

423
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going to do is try to send psychic

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messages back and forth and a little

425
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literally a measure the speed how is a

426
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literally thought faster than light that

427
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type of thing have you heard anything

428
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about that I did not hear I did hear

429
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about the MRI because obviously that's

430
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what dr. green works with is MRI

431
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machines you know he's a neuro scientist

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I forget the exact exact expertise he's

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in but from what I was told is first of

434
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all you need to sign an NDA for 15 years

435
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you don't get to talk about what

436
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they do whatsoever number twos they do

437
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take vowel your blood because they're

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gonna go test that both at Stanford and

439
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here at the DMC and Michigan where kit

440
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green is located that and again the

441
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prospect honestly when I brought this up

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to my wife I kind of hid it from her for

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a couple of months and she was like do

444
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you really want to be a guinea pig and I

445
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I kind of agreed with him like once you

446
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going on that rabbit hole and you do

447
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that I don't know that you could ever go

448
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back not that like anything the fairies

449
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would happen and I'm very curious as to

450
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see what they would come up with but I

451
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just don't know that I would wanna do

452
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that you know I I don't know it's just

453
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me well you've got a sign at MDA I mean

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that's one thing you get involved in all

455
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the stuff you find things out and you

456
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want to share it but you son your son

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it's cause your agreement exactly so

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that kind of just turned me off and I

459
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was actually glad in the end that was

460
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not a candidate in their their mind I

461
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still would like to pursue eventually to

462
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go and try to find doctor kit green and

463
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kind of like possibly talk to him but

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again from what I've been told

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he's very apprehensive to talking to

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people and I don't want to just bug

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random stranger I know that I wouldn't

468
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like that so I've got to kind of pick

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and choose whether I really want to do

470
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that or not it's very tempting because

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again he lives not that far away from me

472
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I know exactly what hospital he works at

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I know exactly what department he works

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at so it's kind of hard for me we'll see

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maybe eventually if I work up gumption

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maybe I'll do that I don't know but as

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far as the actual study they were very

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tight-lipped other than yes I had to

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sign NDA and you will have to give blood

480
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and you would have to basically I would

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have since I'm not in California I would

482
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have to obviously be tested here in

483
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Michigan and then they did probably send

484
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that those samples to Gary Nolan and

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California so you know I don't know more

486
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than that they don't tell you a whole

487
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lot and you know you guys dealt with

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during on he kind of yeah he'll let you

489
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eat on some things but he also holds his

490
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cards tied to his chest he doesn't tell

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you everything and you know there was

492
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also a lot of you'd ask him a question

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he'd say that's a good question i I

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don't know the answer I got to find out

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and then you would never get the answer

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you know I have no doubt that he asked

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but it's like you probably didn't get

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the answer either you Walt yeah and then

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I don't honestly know how much they're

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actually including him in on because

501
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he's technically just a the scientific

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adviser to to the stars and his study

503
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that he's doing with green is actually

504
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separate from two stars so and they kind

505
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of lean on it but to kind of dump so I I

506
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don't know how much of the crossover

507
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there is I don't know it is interesting

508
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that he is talking again and at least on

509
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Twitter and but he's again he's like the

510
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Riddler you know he'll well yeah let's

511
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let's double back to the experiences

512
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that you had yourself that put you in a

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position to at least be talking to these

514
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guys a little bit

515
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you said day you had one at beginning at

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four that's pretty young yeah it was

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that my grandmother's house here in the

518
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thumb of Michigan and a small town

519
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called sibling I would spend routinely

520
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like like part of my summer there and it

521
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this took place in the summertime in

522
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1984 and I will say this I don't know

523
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what I interacted with just the the

524
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before I get into this the this story I

525
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don't know what I interacted with but I

526
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will say that it did take place and the

527
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reason why I know that is because of my

528
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sense of smell you can't smell in your

529
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dreams now I say that by there is a

530
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researcher that everybody should be

531
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reading his books he's a good friend of

532
00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:28,799
mine Josh McCutcheon the brimstone

533
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deceit book is

534
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fantastic because it shows without a

535
00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:37,790
shadow of doubt that your sense of smell

536
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:40,590
with paranormal events or even UFO

537
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events is very much part of the van it's

538
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almost more so than anything else that's

539
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taking place you would think that's not

540
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the case but when you read this book you

541
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:55,230
kind of see that the sense of smell is a

542
00:26:02,840 --> 00:25:59,580
very unique sense in that it actually

543
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,850
records it on your brain where if you

544
00:26:06,290 --> 00:26:04,440
remember something you kind of forget it

545
00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:06,300
but if it's something significant and

546
00:26:10,460 --> 00:26:07,830
you can remember that smell

547
00:26:11,660 --> 00:26:10,470
you're you almost like go back to what

548
00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:11,670
happened to you

549
00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:17,280
so there's summertime I don't know

550
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:19,590
exactly what month in the summer but was

551
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,320
summertime in 1984 I would spend like I

552
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:24,480
said summers up with my grandma there

553
00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:29,130
and she had fall asleep and she did not

554
00:26:34,790 --> 00:26:31,230
have a bed for me and I would just sleep

555
00:26:38,030 --> 00:26:34,800
in her same bed and she left the door

556
00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:38,040
open and when you would look through

557
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:40,950
that door opening you would lead you to

558
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:44,130
a big bay window and I just got the

559
00:26:48,380 --> 00:26:46,050
sense to wake up

560
00:26:50,030 --> 00:26:48,390
nothing told me they just I get the

561
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,040
sense that hey wake up

562
00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:52,980
as I woke up and was looking out that

563
00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:55,350
bay window through the door frame

564
00:27:00,919 --> 00:26:58,980
because the door was open and again I

565
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:00,929
know this is gonna sound weird but from

566
00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:03,030
what I've been talking to other

567
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:05,160
experiences and other researchers the

568
00:27:12,290 --> 00:27:08,610
weird is the more likely it really did

569
00:27:14,780 --> 00:27:12,300
happen because the weirder it gets yes

570
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:14,790
yes yes I understand exactly what you're

571
00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:18,570
talking about keep God so basically what

572
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,750
I can articulate is it was like the

573
00:27:27,140 --> 00:27:23,760
Apollo rocket was leaning in Reverse so

574
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:27,150
basically a SpaceX a SpaceX rocket was

575
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:28,650
landing before obviously there was a

576
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:31,679
SpaceX rocket it was laying in Reverse

577
00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:34,710
and the next thing I remember was

578
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:39,990
there's three gray I will say gray beans

579
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,450
in the room that would look like the

580
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:44,640
prototypical Whitley Strieber

581
00:27:48,380 --> 00:27:47,010
Union gray aliens I'm not gonna say

582
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,390
they're aliens because I don't know what

583
00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:50,400
they are I don't know where they came

584
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:51,990
from they didn't show me star map they

585
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:53,610
didn't talk to me they didn't do

586
00:28:00,320 --> 00:27:57,240
anything they just were there the next

587
00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:00,330
thing I remember is being outside on the

588
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:03,560
side of the house were it would be I

589
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:06,210
would say word that Apollo rocket had

590
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:08,780
landed but it wasn't there at that time

591
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,490
and I get the sense that that was not

592
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:13,500
walking but floating because I don't

593
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:17,400
remember touching the ground and they

594
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:21,330
just basically floated me to the other

595
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:24,570
side of the house where the corn field

596
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:29,100
was pretty tall but wasn't the full

597
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:31,290
length yet but it's pretty tall and at

598
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:33,510
that point two things happened one I

599
00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:36,360
could hear a hooting of an owl and then

600
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:40,560
a much taller maybe some foot tall again

601
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,470
typical communion grey alien came out of

602
00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:46,320
the cornfield and that's all I remember

603
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:49,950
of that the next thing I remember I was

604
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:52,500
back in my grandmother's bedroom I'm

605
00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:55,890
looking back out that door frame back

606
00:29:00,920 --> 00:28:58,110
through the bay window and that same

607
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:00,930
Apollo rocket taking back off and it was

608
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:04,290
gone next morning comes I tell my

609
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:06,210
grandmother hey did you see that rocket

610
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:07,830
she's like oh Chris you were just

611
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:11,610
imagining you're dreaming but like I

612
00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:14,850
said that sense of smell came back and

613
00:29:20,620 --> 00:29:17,790
it was always imprinted on me that when

614
00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:20,630
you excuse me when you grow up on a farm

615
00:29:27,650 --> 00:29:24,060
or you're around a farm there is that

616
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:27,660
sulfur smelled the earth it's like you

617
00:29:31,550 --> 00:29:30,510
cannot mistake that and the entire time

618
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:31,560
that we were in the side of the house

619
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:35,220
where the cornfield was I could smell

620
00:29:40,220 --> 00:29:38,010
that imprinted on me I can like gray now

621
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,230
I could just I'm right back at that time

622
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:42,720
in 1984 I could just I could see it my

623
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:45,930
mind that that that's what happened I'm

624
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:47,580
not dreaming this and then not making

625
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:48,210
this up

626
00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:52,980
soul fish flash forward to 2016 I had a

627
00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:55,700
conversation with my clone the owl guy

628
00:30:00,920 --> 00:29:58,020
the the guy who wrote

629
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:00,930
both excuse me both those books on UFOs

630
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:05,010
and abductees and howls on how they all

631
00:30:11,660 --> 00:30:07,500
come together he found it very

632
00:30:14,150 --> 00:30:11,670
interesting to that the sense of smell

633
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:14,160
was very pronounced he thought that was

634
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:15,150
very interesting

635
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:17,880
the other interesting thing he thought

636
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:19,740
was the fact that I had open-heart

637
00:30:42,410 --> 00:30:40,250
get some water go ahead Frank talk about

638
00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:42,420
something that yeah yeah I've seen that

639
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,430
book and I was thinking the owl said

640
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:46,320
that is kind of odd it never gave much

641
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:49,770
thought to it but apparently it does

642
00:30:56,390 --> 00:30:54,000
come up not infrequently yeah it was

643
00:31:00,970 --> 00:30:56,400
interesting to talk to him because he

644
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:00,980
also lived in Michigan during his youth

645
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:04,440
and he had an experience in Southfield

646
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:07,320
which is not that far away from me and

647
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:10,770
he was walking home from school and he

648
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:12,810
got or from a football game excuse me

649
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:16,410
and got basically taken but he just

650
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:17,820
thought that was very interesting and he

651
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:22,350
said the other thing that is in his

652
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:24,630
research that would really really really

653
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:29,820
bothers me and it bothers my wife excuse

654
00:31:37,150 --> 00:31:33,810
me I'm so sorry guys um was in his

655
00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:37,160
research and this is kind of creepy

656
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:41,270
people who have a name Chris or

657
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:44,210
permutations of Christopher Christoph

658
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:47,820
Christine they tend to have interactions

659
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:51,530
with such phenomenon and I was like what

660
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,140
he's like yeah I'm like what he goes

661
00:32:00,260 --> 00:31:58,320
awesome this I did not say this or talk

662
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:00,270
to him about this he just asked me

663
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:02,730
point-blank he's like are you German to

664
00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:06,210
people who with German hereditary are

665
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:11,070
with a heritage tend to also be involved

666
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:11,700
with this fan

667
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:16,169
I was like oMG holy mackerel

668
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:19,860
so that for me confirmed like this

669
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:22,200
this event really did take place and

670
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:25,500
then no I just add just a jump in here

671
00:32:29,899 --> 00:32:27,570
real quick a Wolford that that's a

672
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:29,909
pretty English name is it not yeah

673
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,559
that's on my dad's side but alright so

674
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:33,720
your mom's side now your grandmother

675
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:37,740
Rossio it was she your dad's mom or she

676
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:39,929
your mom my mom's mom there you go there

677
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:44,399
you go yeah exactly so just it really is

678
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:46,500
going against me that this really did

679
00:32:56,419 --> 00:32:53,010
take place so basically saw from 4 to 11

680
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,429
I don't I didn't I didn't get involved

681
00:33:01,700 --> 00:32:59,039
with the subject really I'd hear about

682
00:33:02,629 --> 00:33:01,710
UFO here there but I really kind of just

683
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:02,639
forgot about it

684
00:33:11,899 --> 00:33:07,559
and then it wasn't until 11 when we were

685
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:11,909
on Sanibel Island and we had gone there

686
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:12,899
for spring break

687
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:15,330
my parents had taken me and some of my

688
00:33:21,379 --> 00:33:18,179
other family members and we were there

689
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:21,389
and we saw some orange glowing orbs that

690
00:33:26,029 --> 00:33:23,070
were doing maneuvers that aircrafts

691
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:26,039
couldn't do and this is shortly after I

692
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:28,620
would say the Gulf Breeze flap had kind

693
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:31,049
of died down a little bit and that was

694
00:33:35,779 --> 00:33:32,700
interesting because the stuff that these

695
00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:35,789
orbs were doing I was very like

696
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:38,039
technical there's no way an airplane

697
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:42,630
could do that in my opinion so we saw

698
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,190
that there was multiple witnesses I

699
00:33:48,379 --> 00:33:46,919
would say 1213 people saw that there was

700
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:48,389
one win as soon as the doctor who kept

701
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:50,460
saying it was a boat mast and my father

702
00:33:54,019 --> 00:33:52,289
and I were like there's no way at the

703
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:54,029
bow mass it's too high in the sky but

704
00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:55,320
whatever if you want to say it's a boat

705
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:57,870
mast it's a boat mass for you and then

706
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:02,100
not till 1993 I was walking to middle

707
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:04,049
school on that middle school my bus stop

708
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:06,600
excused me for middle school and I got

709
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:09,000
the sense that somebody's watching me so

710
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,300
I turned around and above the pine tree

711
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:14,639
that was in front of our house maybe 50

712
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,300
feet above that was a bob lazar sport

713
00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:20,879
model clears day there's a daylight

714
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:24,750
sighting and as soon as I said oh my god

715
00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:25,500
it blinked

716
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:30,300
was gone and then from 93 until 2016 I

717
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:32,280
didn't have any events and really to be

718
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:34,350
honest I kind of lost interest in this

719
00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:36,690
whole field and this whole topic to be

720
00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:39,840
honest I was until 2016 when they

721
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:43,139
decided to interact with me again I

722
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:48,000
would say so what what happened then

723
00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:52,530
what happened in 2016 what this one was

724
00:35:01,100 --> 00:34:56,760
interesting and won the respect of I

725
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:01,110
thought it was going crazy because I

726
00:35:08,180 --> 00:35:03,060
started to really start to look at this

727
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:08,190
topic again and take it seriously and

728
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,060
really dig down and deep into it and I

729
00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:14,400
decided I was gonna go to this MUFON

730
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:16,440
conference the State Michigan State

731
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:18,060
Michigan MUFON conference the big one

732
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:24,450
there was the anniversary for the swamp

733
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:26,970
gas right all right right swamp gas

734
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:30,720
sighting but I want to leave in the

735
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:32,970
morning to go to the conference I go

736
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:35,400
step out my front door of my house and

737
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,130
also the voice is not my own entered my

738
00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:41,040
mind said if you go to this conference

739
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:43,350
we will no longer interact with you and

740
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:45,660
I just paused so that's interesting

741
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:47,460
didn't really think much about it at

742
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:48,180
that point

743
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:50,370
and continue on my way went to the

744
00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:51,690
conference didn't think a whole lot

745
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:54,120
until I got home from the conference

746
00:35:59,840 --> 00:35:57,210
then it kind of dawned on me like that

747
00:36:02,060 --> 00:35:59,850
was really weird it's like am I going

748
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:02,070
nuts I know enough on that going nuts

749
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:05,310
but that wasn't my voice it was it

750
00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:08,220
stopped me in my tracks then it wasn't

751
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:14,580
until May or run on Memorial Day of 2017

752
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,490
so last year again similar thing but

753
00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:20,640
this time we were in upstate New York my

754
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:22,860
wife wanted to go to Sharon Springs New

755
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:25,920
York for something that she wanted to go

756
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:28,230
do is like a little mini vacation now

757
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:29,970
we're sitting in this hotel room with my

758
00:36:35,870 --> 00:36:32,910
daughter and again the same kind of

759
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:35,880
voice came in my mind and told me you

760
00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:39,050
need to pay attention to Robert Bigelow

761
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:42,080
and how he I'm surmising I don't

762
00:36:46,990 --> 00:36:44,030
remember exactly what it said but

763
00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:47,000
basically the message was you need to

764
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:48,200
take a look at him

765
00:36:54,010 --> 00:36:51,890
excuse me and how he relates to the long

766
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,020
effort which I thought was very

767
00:36:57,150 --> 00:36:56,240
interesting no wonder you're such a good

768
00:36:59,800 --> 00:36:57,160
fan

769
00:37:06,820 --> 00:36:59,810
I'm sorry what did you say no wonder

770
00:37:10,210 --> 00:37:06,830
you're such a big fan yeah yeah I I get

771
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:10,220
so much for that but whatever but but

772
00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:12,530
you are and I think I think all three of

773
00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:14,780
us are you know I mean we all have our

774
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:17,060
criticisms here and there but by and

775
00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:19,730
large this show wouldn't be happening if

776
00:37:24,250 --> 00:37:21,740
it wasn't for their efforts oh yeah why

777
00:37:27,970 --> 00:37:24,260
they're doing what they're doing some

778
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,980
things over absolutely now you uh you've

779
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:30,320
been a little bit critical of some of

780
00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:31,460
the researchers out there have been

781
00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:32,840
taking some shots at them

782
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,270
oh yes possibly I don't know or at least

783
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,280
people made the friend me I don't know

784
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:51,440
and I really don't care I'm not trying

785
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:53,150
to like bang off anybody but it's the

786
00:37:59,140 --> 00:37:55,760
truth and actually a little disclaimer

787
00:38:03,640 --> 00:37:59,150
Frank and I talked back in April on on

788
00:38:05,170 --> 00:38:03,650
skype about this whole ordeal and I had

789
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:05,180
photographic proof that I sent to him

790
00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:07,250
that I'm not just making this up I

791
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:08,990
really did have these conversations with

792
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,450
these people so what do you want to

793
00:38:17,290 --> 00:38:14,000
begin Robby Graham Orange Ibanez neguin

794
00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:21,190
I saw something from that dr. Joe Burke

795
00:38:26,650 --> 00:38:23,030
so we'd been on our Shore a few weeks

796
00:38:28,359 --> 00:38:26,660
back posted from Graham rubbed me the

797
00:38:35,170 --> 00:38:28,369
wrong way it really wasn't about to the

798
00:38:37,150 --> 00:38:35,180
stars per se but it was about I thought

799
00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:37,160
I thought it was a rather elitist and

800
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:40,670
really exclusionary in terms of people

801
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:43,369
getting involved in UFOs that well

802
00:38:46,510 --> 00:38:44,330
here's Yachvili

803
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:46,520
and you know who do you think you are

804
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:48,710
compared with him and you know it's like

805
00:38:53,529 --> 00:38:51,410
I'm an old hockey player you know I

806
00:38:54,730 --> 00:38:53,539
I am I was a hockey player when I was

807
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:54,740
younger you know who's never Wayne

808
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,210
Gretzky but that didn't keep me from

809
00:39:01,390 --> 00:38:59,119
playing yeah you know what I mean yeah

810
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:01,400
that was something I didn't like so what

811
00:39:11,770 --> 00:39:08,450
what a gram say that you didn't so I

812
00:39:13,029 --> 00:39:11,780
have a good relationship I would say or

813
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,039
at least they did up until this point

814
00:39:18,370 --> 00:39:15,440
this interview if he's listening he's

815
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:18,380
probably not but whatever Robert Gamez a

816
00:39:24,099 --> 00:39:21,650
good guy and he's always been very nice

817
00:39:27,730 --> 00:39:24,109
to me when I talked to him and I've

818
00:39:31,420 --> 00:39:27,740
talked to him quite a lot via facebook

819
00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:31,430
Messenger he's been very kind to me so

820
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:33,260
I'm not like again I'm not trying to

821
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:36,170
bash him we can disagree without being

822
00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:39,170
disagreeable yeah but I'm gonna stay

823
00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:41,720
fact and the fact of the matter is is

824
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:45,260
for a year leading up to the October

825
00:39:50,410 --> 00:39:47,390
11th press conference for to the stars

826
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:50,420
all he did was try to throw me off the

827
00:39:56,109 --> 00:39:53,990
the told the long train he kept telling

828
00:39:57,819 --> 00:39:56,119
me it's a waste your time to waste your

829
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,829
time don't bother with it

830
00:40:01,480 --> 00:39:59,599
don't bother with time too long there's

831
00:40:04,839 --> 00:40:01,490
nothing gonna come of it and he was very

832
00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:04,849
adamant that he's be that Tom DeLonge is

833
00:40:08,589 --> 00:40:06,950
being used by the intelligence community

834
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:08,599
for something that we'll never truly

835
00:40:14,859 --> 00:40:11,569
know and I just never bought that I was

836
00:40:16,809 --> 00:40:14,869
like Robbie I disagree with you but I

837
00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:16,819
love your book silver screen saucer is

838
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:18,200
probably one of the best written UFO

839
00:40:22,779 --> 00:40:20,210
books ever in the last 15 years

840
00:40:25,329 --> 00:40:22,789
but I totally disagree with you and he

841
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:25,339
for a year would just say Chris why

842
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:26,690
you're wasting your time and then he

843
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:29,089
bought those two pieces for mysterious

844
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:31,910
universe part 1 and part 2 that the long

845
00:40:36,789 --> 00:40:34,400
delusion which again at that point I

846
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:36,799
don't even think really looking back in

847
00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:39,710
it now he kind of got a lot of things

848
00:40:44,829 --> 00:40:42,200
wrong with the whole dawn delusion both

849
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:44,839
parts but whatever that's a criticism of

850
00:40:50,410 --> 00:40:47,119
mine so he just tried to throw me off

851
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:50,420
and not say that this was gonna amount

852
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:51,049
to anything

853
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,690
and that there was and then though in

854
00:40:56,829 --> 00:40:55,520
the last conversations he just kept

855
00:40:57,490 --> 00:40:56,839
saying it's going to be money grab it's

856
00:40:59,859 --> 00:40:57,500
all about the money

857
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,869
that's what all these UFO people say or

858
00:41:03,010 --> 00:41:01,760
at least these aleus UFO people it's all

859
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:03,020
about the money that's all they're

860
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:05,450
trying to get money it's stock options

861
00:41:09,550 --> 00:41:07,369
it's the same thing it's like you're

862
00:41:11,620 --> 00:41:09,560
like a broken record shut up it's it's

863
00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:11,630
the carrot they always dangle in front

864
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,940
of the UFO community they Dingle that

865
00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:16,160
money carrot because it it separates the

866
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:19,400
wheat from the chaff the people who will

867
00:41:22,810 --> 00:41:21,260
but clean onto the they're just trying

868
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:22,820
to make money well clean on to that and

869
00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:24,950
then they won't go any further so any

870
00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:27,800
case Robert Graham him and I disagreed

871
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:30,500
and then the big point for me where I

872
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:34,010
kind of knew that I needed to go my

873
00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:38,450
separate way with my research from

874
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:41,990
talking to Robert Graham is win he kept

875
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:46,310
telling me that Jacques Vallee quit the

876
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,010
whole - this is before to the stars but

877
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:51,680
he quit the DeLonge effort and that he

878
00:41:56,770 --> 00:41:53,390
wasn't working with him and he found out

879
00:41:58,750 --> 00:41:56,780
that Tom DeLonge was a fraud and that he

880
00:42:01,569 --> 00:41:58,760
wasn't to be taken seriously in that

881
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:01,579
this whole time the long Eifert was

882
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:05,690
gonna be nothing but a joke and then I I

883
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:09,680
sent that message to Grant Cameron and

884
00:42:14,410 --> 00:42:11,690
grants like I don't know about that

885
00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:14,420
buddy like Chris I don't think that's

886
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:16,790
the case I I'm talking to people right

887
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:19,849
now that say that grand Caymans still in

888
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,210
that you know organization now mind you

889
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:25,280
this is again before to the stars so I

890
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:28,730
would say this was January or late

891
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:33,440
December of 2008 2016 early 2017

892
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:35,540
when this kind of what transpired and

893
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:38,450
then then I said to Robby grandma said

894
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:41,630
you know Greg's telling me that you know

895
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,640
John collee stole very much part of this

896
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:46,640
whole thing and basically Robby's like

897
00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:48,410
you can't believe grant cuz he's just

898
00:42:55,150 --> 00:42:51,829
crazy that's an okay so you're gonna go

899
00:42:57,550 --> 00:42:55,160
that route okay whatever that's fine

900
00:42:59,890 --> 00:42:57,560
and then Christopher blood so share

901
00:43:01,300 --> 00:42:59,900
something with me that I don't think he

902
00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:01,310
shared with a lot of other people was a

903
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:05,390
photo of him Tom DeLonge and Zach Vella

904
00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:08,150
Jacques Frere in the same picture and

905
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:11,240
this was after supposedly Jacques fillet

906
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,440
had quit so then I said that or I talked

907
00:43:18,789 --> 00:43:18,079
to Robbie grandma about that he's like

908
00:43:27,069 --> 00:43:18,799
no that

909
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:27,079
made up oh yeah we're done here so that

910
00:43:31,089 --> 00:43:29,089
kind of just turned me off to Robby

911
00:43:33,759 --> 00:43:31,099
Graham and now he doesn't really talk

912
00:43:36,189 --> 00:43:33,769
about the whole two stars thing at all

913
00:43:39,429 --> 00:43:36,199
he just says it's beyond him he's well

914
00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:39,439
he's elitist now he doesn't he he shoves

915
00:43:43,569 --> 00:43:41,209
his nose in there whenever it gets

916
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:43,579
talked about which that's fine and most

917
00:43:49,539 --> 00:43:46,569
beautiful researchers oh I should say a

918
00:43:51,729 --> 00:43:49,549
majority of UFO researchers at least the

919
00:43:53,529 --> 00:43:51,739
big-name ones have kind of shown their

920
00:43:55,569 --> 00:43:53,539
true colors because they see the

921
00:43:57,609 --> 00:43:55,579
tsunamis coming and it's gonna wash them

922
00:44:00,489 --> 00:43:57,619
away because nobody's gonna believe what

923
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:00,499
were they saying more because the the

924
00:44:06,489 --> 00:44:03,049
long effort is gonna be I would say

925
00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:06,499
probably the lead people to be the ones

926
00:44:11,169 --> 00:44:09,140
talking about the subject it's not going

927
00:44:13,779 --> 00:44:11,179
to be the Robby Graham's the world it's

928
00:44:16,179 --> 00:44:13,789
not gonna be the no I don't want to

929
00:44:17,620 --> 00:44:16,189
mention any other names but it's not

930
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:17,630
gonna be the people who you think it's

931
00:44:21,819 --> 00:44:20,689
gonna be talking about this no well

932
00:44:23,469 --> 00:44:21,829
there have been a couple guys who I

933
00:44:26,009 --> 00:44:23,479
think have come up really short in terms

934
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:26,019
of the the materials aspect of all this

935
00:44:33,429 --> 00:44:29,890
the one guy is John Greenawalt who keeps

936
00:44:35,229 --> 00:44:33,439
that keeps harping on FOIA requests that

937
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:35,239
whatever he doesn't seem to get about

938
00:44:42,249 --> 00:44:39,650
all this is that not all this is in

939
00:44:44,529 --> 00:44:42,259
government hands a lot of this material

940
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:44,539
has been floating around in private

941
00:44:50,289 --> 00:44:47,920
hands for years and as a result of that

942
00:44:52,689 --> 00:44:50,299
what does a FOIA request going to get

943
00:44:55,479 --> 00:44:52,699
you the government never had it never

944
00:44:57,219 --> 00:44:55,489
held it never studied it so they're not

945
00:44:58,900 --> 00:44:57,229
going to have anything on it so it's

946
00:45:01,929 --> 00:44:58,910
like if you're a hammer everything looks

947
00:45:03,279 --> 00:45:01,939
like a nail to you and for your requests

948
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:03,289
are just not going to solve that and

949
00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:05,569
these running around saying well I've

950
00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:07,160
sent for your requests I'm not getting

951
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:09,349
anywhere with them well you know guess

952
00:45:12,609 --> 00:45:11,209
what you're not gonna get anywhere with

953
00:45:14,919 --> 00:45:12,619
for your requests on that particular

954
00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:14,929
aspect but there's a lot out there and

955
00:45:19,989 --> 00:45:17,150
another guy who did an interview I think

956
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:19,999
with a UFO hub who generally is well

957
00:45:25,419 --> 00:45:21,410
regarded generally I well-regarded

958
00:45:28,449 --> 00:45:25,429
Richard Dolan he's talking about the the

959
00:45:30,850 --> 00:45:28,459
discrepancy between alloys and meta

960
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:30,860
materials it was deliberate and

961
00:45:37,090 --> 00:45:34,880
it was a you know a CIA plot that they

962
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:37,100
deliberately planned that it's just a

963
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:39,770
language discrepancy it's not that big a

964
00:45:43,090 --> 00:45:41,870
deal and he's talking about his sources

965
00:45:44,980 --> 00:45:43,100
are telling him this about men and

966
00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:44,990
materials you've got three scientists

967
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,340
are on the record talking about this

968
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:49,280
stuff Valais himself Nolan who he talked

969
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:50,840
about planning and also Peter Sturrock

970
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:52,760
who I mentioned earlier well three of

971
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,250
them are on the record either doing

972
00:46:01,150 --> 00:45:56,720
presentations and before symposiums

973
00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:01,160
writing papers doing a little AMA s

974
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:03,950
online about it this stuff is out there

975
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:05,510
it's been out there and they've kind of

976
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:07,370
dropped the ball on this the only other

977
00:46:11,110 --> 00:46:09,290
guy besides me who's really compiled a

978
00:46:13,390 --> 00:46:11,120
lot of information that regarding this

979
00:46:15,130 --> 00:46:13,400
that's pretty accurate is a guy named

980
00:46:17,290 --> 00:46:15,140
the red pill junky whose real name I

981
00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:17,300
can't remember off the Miguel Romero

982
00:46:23,710 --> 00:46:20,180
there you go there you go Miguel yeah

983
00:46:25,450 --> 00:46:23,720
yeah yeah he's been on it too and that

984
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:25,460
information is out there make of it what

985
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:25,850
you will

986
00:46:29,650 --> 00:46:28,310
but I believe that they believe they're

987
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,660
onto something and that's that's really

988
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,520
as far as it goes there's a limited

989
00:46:36,490 --> 00:46:33,440
amount of information on it not that

990
00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:36,500
much and you know that's kind of the way

991
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:38,780
it goes but at least even if there's not

992
00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:40,250
a lot of information you should make

993
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:41,660
sure that your information is accurate

994
00:46:45,250 --> 00:46:43,910
and they're not really doing that

995
00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:45,260
they're not really digging in and

996
00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:48,200
finding out the whole story behind that

997
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:51,380
aspect of the phenomenon no they really

998
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:53,210
have dropped the ball I would agree and

999
00:46:59,410 --> 00:46:55,790
John Greenwald is hilarious he gets so

1000
00:47:01,810 --> 00:46:59,420
angry that the fact that how dare the

1001
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:01,820
government not respond to my FOIA

1002
00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:04,640
request it's like dude and here's the

1003
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:06,500
other thing I'm gonna get to this with

1004
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:09,680
MJ benaiah and it kind of shows you that

1005
00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:12,290
we as a community are being watched and

1006
00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:14,750
it's all about how you communicate and

1007
00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:17,900
deal with these people on a personal

1008
00:47:23,830 --> 00:47:21,740
level even when dr. Nolan was still on

1009
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:23,840
Facebook and I would even probably say

1010
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,850
if you're nice to my twitter he'll be

1011
00:47:29,530 --> 00:47:27,200
nice to you and he'll give you a little

1012
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:29,540
bit but if you're gonna be a jerk and

1013
00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:32,720
you're just gonna to say this is this is

1014
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,940
stupid and why are we wasting their time

1015
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:36,400
cuz it's all about the money again

1016
00:47:41,110 --> 00:47:38,690
they're not gonna give you anything and

1017
00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:41,120
furthermore they're not gonna work with

1018
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:43,580
you because they're watching everybody

1019
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:44,290
there

1020
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,420
literally watching everybody I hope

1021
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:48,880
everybody realizes that they're watching

1022
00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:50,890
all of us I know some people would say

1023
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:52,840
how do you know that well I know that

1024
00:47:57,150 --> 00:47:54,940
because basically Gary Nolan came out

1025
00:48:00,360 --> 00:47:57,160
and said they hit to the stars

1026
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:00,370
his people that are watching explicitly

1027
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:03,900
the UFO community on Facebook okay so I

1028
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:05,730
don't know what that means like

1029
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,710
intelligence apparatus of to the stars I

1030
00:48:12,330 --> 00:48:10,000
don't think so obviously some of them

1031
00:48:15,450 --> 00:48:12,340
are ex-cia but they're watching us and

1032
00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:15,460
they're trying to see what we do with

1033
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:17,830
this information so far some of us have

1034
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:21,010
not been very kind to this whole effort

1035
00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:22,990
and kind of like try to poopoo it before

1036
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:24,760
it even got going which I don't

1037
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:28,750
understand so we we beg and we want that

1038
00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:32,320
we want more data a new data and we get

1039
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:34,180
it but then those people get pissed

1040
00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:38,220
pissy and crappy about it and basically

1041
00:48:43,050 --> 00:48:40,420
shrug their shoulders and say this is

1042
00:48:45,450 --> 00:48:43,060
nothing new when it is it's totally do I

1043
00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:45,460
don't I don't understand his disconnect

1044
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:47,560
and I just I don't know I don't have

1045
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:51,060
time for those people anymore really no

1046
00:48:58,980 --> 00:48:55,930
so yeah so getting back to MJ binaya

1047
00:49:02,400 --> 00:48:58,990
so again another guy another younger

1048
00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:02,410
researcher who I respect but I'm gonna

1049
00:49:09,150 --> 00:49:06,340
tell a spade is a spade this story and

1050
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:09,160
it is it all happened I sent Frank the

1051
00:49:14,010 --> 00:49:12,010
photos of the conversations so I'm not

1052
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:14,020
making this up I know MJ probably get

1053
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:16,270
mad for me talking about this but I

1054
00:49:19,950 --> 00:49:18,010
don't really care the UFO community

1055
00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:19,960
needs to realize there are certain

1056
00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:22,780
cliques in this community that don't

1057
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:25,540
want us to succeed whatsoever and they

1058
00:49:29,970 --> 00:49:27,730
wanted to desperately fail and they'll

1059
00:49:35,220 --> 00:49:29,980
do anything in their power to basically

1060
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:35,230
try to mitigate or talk down about this

1061
00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:38,110
whole effort that the long campaign has

1062
00:49:43,650 --> 00:49:42,280
had so MJ benaiah again it was right

1063
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:43,660
around the time that I was talking to

1064
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,770
Gary Nolan a lot

1065
00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:47,440
MJ by nice message does me out of the

1066
00:49:51,810 --> 00:49:49,720
blue cuz I kind of hinted towards him

1067
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:51,820
that I was gonna be possibly considered

1068
00:49:57,660 --> 00:49:55,090
for the study and MJ was like in a

1069
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:57,670
frantic panic mode one day he's a career

1070
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:00,160
you need to tell dr. Nolan I'm so sorry

1071
00:50:05,550 --> 00:50:02,170
that my two-year-old grabbed my phone in

1072
00:50:07,770 --> 00:50:05,560
December Ghibli gobbly [\h__\h] message and

1073
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I apologize for that because basically

1074
00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:11,200
what happened was MJ's kid got hold of

1075
00:50:19,070 --> 00:50:15,640
his phone instead of like a a jumbled

1076
00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:19,080
message - Nolan so Nolan took that is

1077
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:22,390
and they'd be nice messing with them so

1078
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:25,570
he got pissed although I had every right

1079
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:28,750
so he got pissed and said you know why

1080
00:50:32,850 --> 00:50:30,550
should I even waste my time with

1081
00:50:35,310 --> 00:50:32,860
somebody like this and that's when he

1082
00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:35,320
let kind of know let slip that hey we're

1083
00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:38,350
watching this community and we were

1084
00:50:43,470 --> 00:50:40,630
watching how you interact with us or

1085
00:50:47,970 --> 00:50:43,480
other members and how we give you

1086
00:50:52,430 --> 00:50:47,980
information basically and MJ screwed

1087
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:52,440
that relationship a relationship up by a

1088
00:50:59,609 --> 00:50:57,130
he he had told Nolan all right exactly

1089
00:51:02,820 --> 00:50:59,619
what used telling me but I want creative

1090
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:02,830
control over how I write this piece

1091
00:51:05,490 --> 00:51:03,910
because I guess he was gonna write

1092
00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:05,500
something for his blog or something and

1093
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:07,390
basically no one says absolutely not

1094
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:10,930
I get total control over what is written

1095
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:12,850
about me and the story if you don't like

1096
00:51:17,310 --> 00:51:15,130
that then go take a hike and that's

1097
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:17,320
where MJ and binaya she's like I'm not

1098
00:51:21,570 --> 00:51:19,570
I'm not gonna give in to that that's a

1099
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:21,580
that's a totally unacceptable demand

1100
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:25,450
what you're asking a guy who's connected

1101
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:27,550
to to the Stars she's gonna waste his

1102
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:31,180
time with your little blog and you're

1103
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:34,690
gonna tell him that you want total

1104
00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:36,520
control no no I don't think you

1105
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:39,430
understand how this works you have to be

1106
00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:42,160
nice to him and kind of like toggle to

1107
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:44,380
his needs it's not the other way around

1108
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:46,750
cuz he's got what you want you had

1109
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:48,970
nothing that he needs why well I went

1110
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:50,950
through this a little bit with dr. Nolan

1111
00:51:57,630 --> 00:51:54,010
back in December when we put together my

1112
00:52:00,990 --> 00:51:57,640
little story on the materials I think it

1113
00:52:03,090 --> 00:52:01,000
was really more about being technically

1114
00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:03,100
correct because he had written a lot of

1115
00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:04,840
things sort of on the fly very ad hoc

1116
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:08,500
and when he saw it and I said basically

1117
00:52:11,279 --> 00:52:10,390
what happened was he started doing this

1118
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:11,289
and

1119
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:16,250
Year's just very much on the fly you

1120
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:19,940
know winging it basically but I'd said

1121
00:52:24,190 --> 00:52:22,970
look this is very valuable material this

1122
00:52:27,460 --> 00:52:24,200
should be out there it's gonna get

1123
00:52:29,319 --> 00:52:27,470
buried at my group under tons of other

1124
00:52:31,870 --> 00:52:29,329
stuff as new stuff comes up what I'd

1125
00:52:34,930 --> 00:52:31,880
like to do is you know take it and

1126
00:52:37,269 --> 00:52:34,940
basically copy and paste it over and put

1127
00:52:38,650 --> 00:52:37,279
it in an article at my website so people

1128
00:52:40,690 --> 00:52:38,660
can see it and they can find it easily

1129
00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:40,700
and they can go check it out and he was

1130
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,920
fine with that but there were a couple

1131
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:45,200
things that he wanted to clean up from a

1132
00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:47,390
technical standpoint and I said yeah

1133
00:52:50,049 --> 00:52:47,990
absolutely

1134
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,059
let's make sure that we get this right I

1135
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:52,160
had no problems with that and that might

1136
00:52:55,930 --> 00:52:54,049
very well be the case you know when you

1137
00:52:58,180 --> 00:52:55,940
get into some of this more technical

1138
00:53:00,789 --> 00:52:58,190
material you want to make sure it's

1139
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:00,799
right you know what I mean no I know and

1140
00:53:05,890 --> 00:53:03,049
I get that you know yeah I get that back

1141
00:53:10,259 --> 00:53:05,900
wall my qualms with MGB diocese is like

1142
00:53:14,349 --> 00:53:10,269
he was trying to get me to you know get

1143
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:14,359
dr. green a night dr. doing dr. Nolan to

1144
00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:16,250
come back and talk to him it's like

1145
00:53:20,620 --> 00:53:18,440
that's not my place that's your it's

1146
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,630
your fault okay I get the two year old

1147
00:53:26,289 --> 00:53:22,880
grabs a cell phone and sends a message

1148
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:26,299
to dr. Nolan yeah you need to email him

1149
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:28,970
and send Paula Jean blah blah blah blah

1150
00:53:36,849 --> 00:53:32,480
blah but if you're not okay with him

1151
00:53:39,490 --> 00:53:36,859
having total control of what he says and

1152
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:39,500
you better print exactly what he says

1153
00:53:44,170 --> 00:53:41,839
then why bother wasting your time with

1154
00:53:46,210 --> 00:53:44,180
him you know if you know that that's

1155
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:46,220
what he's gonna do is you seen other

1156
00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:48,740
people do or interact with them then why

1157
00:53:54,339 --> 00:53:51,470
is it such a big deal and MJ was really

1158
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:54,349
mad with me how dare you know this is

1159
00:53:59,170 --> 00:53:56,089
why nobody trusts you you know to the

1160
00:54:00,579 --> 00:53:59,180
stars Mike no I think they just want to

1161
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:00,589
get stuff right and they don't want you

1162
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,089
just to write whatever the hell you so

1163
00:54:06,339 --> 00:54:04,400
some of it can get very involved and I

1164
00:54:12,190 --> 00:54:06,349
think getting it right is a little bit

1165
00:54:13,809 --> 00:54:12,200
more important than it's a compromise

1166
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,819
but I think it's a compliment it's worth

1167
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:16,400
it because you want to get things as

1168
00:54:22,990 --> 00:54:21,170
right as possible and that way that was

1169
00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:23,000
my opinion on it I didn't think twice

1170
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:25,220
about it but in my pin

1171
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:27,890
that just shows in those two examples

1172
00:54:34,030 --> 00:54:32,180
how cliquish and how naive these

1173
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:34,040
researchers are and then I've done a

1174
00:54:40,270 --> 00:54:37,849
podcast with MJ bias right shortly after

1175
00:54:43,930 --> 00:54:40,280
the October 11th announcement of two

1176
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:43,940
stars and he on that podcast that's out

1177
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:44,720
there

1178
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:48,800
it was Jason MacLennan's podcast he

1179
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:53,599
tells the group that he never once read

1180
00:54:58,750 --> 00:54:55,490
anything the time long has to talked

1181
00:55:00,400 --> 00:54:58,760
about or any interviews or listen to any

1182
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:00,410
of the interviews that Tom DeLonge has

1183
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,450
given he's just going off the cuff of

1184
00:55:06,730 --> 00:55:04,880
what he's seen and heard in the

1185
00:55:09,010 --> 00:55:06,740
community so basically going off of

1186
00:55:11,859 --> 00:55:09,020
other people's opinions that's not being

1187
00:55:13,660 --> 00:55:11,869
a very good researcher now but you get

1188
00:55:16,089 --> 00:55:13,670
it you get into the telephone game there

1189
00:55:18,250 --> 00:55:16,099
because they don't necessarily recount

1190
00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:18,260
things as they accurately happened and

1191
00:55:24,670 --> 00:55:20,540
it goes through a couple more hands and

1192
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:24,680
it gets even more jar bold and jumbled

1193
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:27,770
up and messed up and that's what you end

1194
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:31,130
up with you end up with going with a

1195
00:55:36,370 --> 00:55:33,650
misrepresentation forming Europeans

1196
00:55:42,940 --> 00:55:36,380
represent with a you end up with Joe

1197
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:42,950
Rogan so it's just a sad state of

1198
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:46,640
affairs to see the community not as a

1199
00:55:52,059 --> 00:55:50,089
whole but at least certain cliques have

1200
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:52,069
dropped the ball because they just they

1201
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:54,230
desperately don't want this to succeed

1202
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,970
because they don't want to be wrong at

1203
00:55:59,230 --> 00:55:57,680
the end of the day that's what boils

1204
00:56:01,780 --> 00:55:59,240
down to do is they don't want to be

1205
00:56:04,839 --> 00:56:01,790
wrong they want to be proven correct and

1206
00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:04,849
say see we wrote in on a white horse we

1207
00:56:11,380 --> 00:56:07,880
are correct word we are the gods of

1208
00:56:12,730 --> 00:56:11,390
knowledge for this this the subject we

1209
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:12,740
are the only ones that you should be

1210
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:15,770
listening to dole is just some a rock

1211
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:18,890
star in his CIA assets and his

1212
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:21,650
scientific assets dollars to them they

1213
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:22,400
don't know what the hell they're talking

1214
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:22,970
about

1215
00:56:27,730 --> 00:56:25,369
but listen to what no no that's not how

1216
00:56:28,569 --> 00:56:27,740
it works everybody I'm sorry but it's

1217
00:56:31,329 --> 00:56:28,579
not how it works

1218
00:56:33,130 --> 00:56:31,339
and I know a lot of people get really

1219
00:56:36,579 --> 00:56:33,140
mad with me but that's the case I mean

1220
00:56:39,099 --> 00:56:36,589
you're just being a bludgeon about it

1221
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:39,109
really no I think

1222
00:56:44,829 --> 00:56:42,130
everything generally I really like dawn

1223
00:56:48,670 --> 00:56:44,839
yes but I think he's really dropped the

1224
00:56:51,009 --> 00:56:48,680
ball yeah yeah you know a lot of things

1225
00:56:52,539 --> 00:56:51,019
obviously I've listened to the show it's

1226
00:56:53,739 --> 00:56:52,549
been a while so I listen to it a lot it

1227
00:56:56,140 --> 00:56:53,749
kind of conflicts with my work schedule

1228
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:56,150
now but I've listened to him in the past

1229
00:57:02,109 --> 00:57:00,319
quite a bit you do kind of run out of

1230
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:02,119
material after a little while when it

1231
00:57:07,209 --> 00:57:05,119
comes to the UFO stuff and you sort of

1232
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:07,219
branched over into the politics see what

1233
00:57:12,339 --> 00:57:10,130
a lot of guys will do that Dolan hasn't

1234
00:57:15,309 --> 00:57:12,349
and yeah I do really respect this is

1235
00:57:17,890 --> 00:57:15,319
that he has not really compromised on

1236
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:17,900
the UFO stuff for the most part I think

1237
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:19,849
he's getting like I said I think he got

1238
00:57:26,499 --> 00:57:23,390
that materials aspect of what's going on

1239
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:26,509
right now wrong but in general he

1240
00:57:31,209 --> 00:57:28,910
doesn't reach on the UFO stuff he stays

1241
00:57:33,759 --> 00:57:31,219
pretty conservative with that he doesn't

1242
00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:33,769
go too far out with it and a lot of

1243
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:35,630
people do do that they hit a point where

1244
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:37,609
they run out of material so they start

1245
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,410
pushing further and further and further

1246
00:57:45,789 --> 00:57:41,839
out and relying on a weaker and weaker

1247
00:57:47,769 --> 00:57:45,799
material to keep themselves being able

1248
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:47,779
to generate fresh material but the fresh

1249
00:57:51,969 --> 00:57:49,369
material isn't really fresh material

1250
00:57:54,279 --> 00:57:51,979
it's bad material there's a there are

1251
00:57:56,289 --> 00:57:54,289
plenty of guys who do that Dolan to his

1252
00:57:59,650 --> 00:57:56,299
credit has not but I think he's way off

1253
00:58:02,680 --> 00:57:59,660
on the materials yeah based on what I

1254
00:58:07,140 --> 00:58:02,690
heard in that one interview anyway how

1255
00:58:10,049 --> 00:58:07,150
are you good yeah I can understand that

1256
00:58:12,729 --> 00:58:10,059
you know the community in general is

1257
00:58:15,729 --> 00:58:12,739
really at you know super apprehensive

1258
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:15,739
about just accepting what to the Stars

1259
00:58:20,650 --> 00:58:18,890
Academy says I mean you know when when

1260
00:58:22,359 --> 00:58:20,660
to the Stars Academy first came along I

1261
00:58:23,799 --> 00:58:22,369
was you know I was very suspect to the

1262
00:58:28,509 --> 00:58:23,809
whole operation myself and I said you

1263
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:28,519
got you know Tom DeLonge you have some

1264
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:31,609
guys from the CIA and the Pentagon you

1265
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:32,930
know what's going on here hold on a

1266
00:58:38,019 --> 00:58:36,049
second and then you know first it looked

1267
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:38,029
like maybe nothing was gonna even hat it

1268
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:40,130
was gonna happen then he came out with a

1269
00:58:46,059 --> 00:58:43,249
picture of him you know in Washington

1270
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:46,069
with John Podesta yeah first it was

1271
00:58:50,529 --> 00:58:48,170
going to be a documentary you remember

1272
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,539
he was just DeLong was just gonna do a

1273
00:58:54,260 --> 00:58:51,680
documentary

1274
00:58:55,850 --> 00:58:54,270
yeah and yeah a little clip we're

1275
00:58:57,110 --> 00:58:55,860
sitting down with Podesta I was thinking

1276
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:57,120
to myself oh this could be a pretty good

1277
00:59:00,800 --> 00:58:58,530
documentary I'll definitely watch it

1278
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:00,810
I'll I'll watch a bad UFO documentary on

1279
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:04,290
wall but that that would look pretty

1280
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:07,020
good and then apparently there was more

1281
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:09,660
and you know we've gotten a lot more

1282
00:59:15,860 --> 00:59:12,720
chitchat about UFOs found out some new

1283
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:15,870
stuff I got tipped off again about the

1284
00:59:21,380 --> 00:59:18,810
material stuff it was funny I was after

1285
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:21,390
it came out I was talking to a UFO

1286
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,570
researcher I know George Hansen and he

1287
00:59:29,090 --> 00:59:26,880
was like oh yes yes that who's been at

1288
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:29,100
this for years you understand he said oh

1289
00:59:32,570 --> 00:59:31,020
yes yes sir that that materially

1290
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:32,580
nubatube of material that was talking

1291
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:34,440
about quite a bit back in the 80s well

1292
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:36,180
you know that's great George but I

1293
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:37,980
wasn't researching this stuff back in

1294
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:39,720
the day because I had no idea about I've

1295
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:41,400
interviewed prettier Stewart before and

1296
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:43,890
I had no idea he was so heavily involved

1297
00:59:49,220 --> 00:59:46,140
in all this so this was news to me and

1298
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:49,230
again it's a an interesting aspect of

1299
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:52,250
the phenomena that's worth a closer look

1300
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,520
yeah

1301
00:59:58,310 --> 00:59:56,400
well again what I was saying is that you

1302
01:00:00,080 --> 00:59:58,320
have if at first it almost looks like

1303
01:00:01,790 --> 01:00:00,090
nothing's gonna happen then stuff starts

1304
01:00:03,380 --> 01:00:01,800
actually happening people are Cola on

1305
01:00:05,150 --> 01:00:03,390
wait a second you know this is actually

1306
01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:05,160
real you know what they're going forward

1307
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:07,980
with so and you know it was actually

1308
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:11,280
pretty well coordinated where a lot was

1309
01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:13,050
done they had I mean it's clear that to

1310
01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:14,700
the Stars Academy had their ducks in a

1311
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:16,380
row before they really came out and

1312
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:19,050
that's how they were able to us succeed

1313
01:00:32,090 --> 01:00:29,400
I think and that's what it's so annoying

1314
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:32,100
I mean like come on that was an unforced

1315
01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:33,420
error that's for sure that was a

1316
01:00:37,580 --> 01:00:35,790
turnover yeah and and a funny thing

1317
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:37,590
about that is what that came Jimmy

1318
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:39,180
Church made a big post about that and

1319
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:41,850
all this like months after the fact like

1320
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,410
you're just realizing that they use that

1321
01:00:50,090 --> 01:00:44,880
picture now didn't you watch the press

1322
01:00:53,060 --> 01:00:50,100
conference and like that for a creative

1323
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:53,070
you know representation I mean it's

1324
01:00:57,470 --> 01:00:55,260
obvious when I saw it when I when I

1325
01:00:59,240 --> 01:00:57,480
first saw the but that was the picture

1326
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,250
that fighters refused that the website

1327
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:01,200
used they were able to go over to read

1328
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:03,270
the fire sweep article which I did right

1329
01:01:07,350 --> 01:01:05,890
away of course yeah which is what

1330
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:07,360
the article they cited in the

1331
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:13,740
presentation you know to me the whole

1332
01:01:19,260 --> 01:01:17,200
Jimmy Church I so he interviews time too

1333
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:19,270
long I remember that interview like what

1334
01:01:23,930 --> 01:01:21,040
happened yesterday a very good interview

1335
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:23,940
very interesting and then he goes and

1336
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:26,710
wants to talk crap about that whole

1337
01:01:30,030 --> 01:01:27,010
thing

1338
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:30,040
I don't know I think that it's like he

1339
01:01:35,310 --> 01:01:32,650
wants his boy Cory good to succeed and

1340
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:35,320
not have his money train be stopped and

1341
01:01:39,450 --> 01:01:37,510
so he has to talk crap about to hold the

1342
01:01:40,830 --> 01:01:39,460
lawn operation but hey you know I'm not

1343
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:40,840
trying to make anybody mad but that's

1344
01:01:45,870 --> 01:01:43,690
just my observation and I think that

1345
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:45,880
that Jimmy Church has people whispering

1346
01:01:52,650 --> 01:01:48,420
in his ear and telling him that it's

1347
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:52,660
some kind of you know clandestine

1348
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:54,310
operation that's gonna mislead the

1349
01:01:59,070 --> 01:01:56,170
public and he's taking that on note and

1350
01:02:00,930 --> 01:01:59,080
and going with as if that's all you know

1351
01:02:04,170 --> 01:02:00,940
the absolute truth wouldn't really none

1352
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,180
of us really know well for me if it was

1353
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:06,880
a total disinformation campaign like

1354
01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:08,980
some have not disinformation it would be

1355
01:02:13,890 --> 01:02:10,870
misinformation but miss young what you

1356
01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:13,900
want even some disinformation if that

1357
01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:16,150
was truly a campaign that the u.s.

1358
01:02:20,370 --> 01:02:19,120
government was playing then they

1359
01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:20,380
wouldn't give us anything grant

1360
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:22,150
Cameron's right they wouldn't talk about

1361
01:02:29,550 --> 01:02:24,970
anything that that they were wanting

1362
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:29,560
this out in this way they wanted out for

1363
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:32,770
a reason and I believe the reason like

1364
01:02:38,550 --> 01:02:36,310
grant has said before is they painted

1365
01:02:41,220 --> 01:02:38,560
themselves into a corner and this is the

1366
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:41,230
best way for them to get out of that

1367
01:02:45,780 --> 01:02:41,770
corner

1368
01:02:50,310 --> 01:02:45,790
without having their sort of point their

1369
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:50,320
fingerprints on said phenomena because

1370
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:52,570
if this Dave you just come out and say

1371
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:54,910
yeah we've been researching this that

1372
01:02:59,940 --> 01:02:58,240
another thing and they come out or the

1373
01:03:01,940 --> 01:02:59,950
president comes out and says you know by

1374
01:03:05,580 --> 01:03:01,950
the way we're not along that's gonna be

1375
01:03:08,490 --> 01:03:05,590
game over people are gonna lose their

1376
01:03:11,010 --> 01:03:08,500
stuff and the world will stop in two

1377
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:11,020
seconds but the way they're doing it

1378
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:12,730
through private industry you know

1379
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:13,990
everything's coming through Bigelow

1380
01:03:19,050 --> 01:03:16,450
Aerospace nothing's coming from the

1381
01:03:19,740 --> 01:03:19,060
government per se and even the people

1382
01:03:23,490 --> 01:03:19,750
who are saying

1383
01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:23,500
while we didn't get official papers from

1384
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:25,750
this whole tic-tac event of course

1385
01:03:29,810 --> 01:03:27,370
you're not you're not gonna get

1386
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:29,820
something with the Department of Navy or

1387
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:32,590
something with letterhead from the NSA

1388
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:34,960
or the DIA or anybody like that you're

1389
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:36,910
not gonna get that stuff that's not how

1390
01:03:43,590 --> 01:03:37,690
it works

1391
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:43,600
the stuff and yes it did get a pass to

1392
01:03:49,020 --> 01:03:46,330
get released maybe not as in the correct

1393
01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:49,030
way like Paul Dean had said but they got

1394
01:03:52,770 --> 01:03:51,070
released and you have to deal with that

1395
01:03:54,660 --> 01:03:52,780
and people are still saying oh it could

1396
01:03:57,930 --> 01:03:54,670
be CGI or you have Nick West

1397
01:04:00,510 --> 01:03:57,940
oh my god it could be a bird Nick you

1398
01:04:02,580 --> 01:04:00,520
know what you go fly away okay you'd be

1399
01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:02,590
a bird if they you know if it's a boy I

1400
01:04:06,270 --> 01:04:04,060
have to admit when I first saw that

1401
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:06,280
go-fast video I thought could that be a

1402
01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:07,890
bird

1403
01:04:13,110 --> 01:04:10,390
I've seen his explanation I I don't

1404
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:13,120
agree with it but I'm okay with Nick

1405
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:16,110
West I like Nick West I can't see in him

1406
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:20,530
I can't deal with people who just want

1407
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:24,010
everything about the UFO phenomenon at

1408
01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:26,050
all yeah I don't have time for it

1409
01:04:30,690 --> 01:04:28,870
anymore it's either not that I am saying

1410
01:04:33,030 --> 01:04:30,700
that you had to agree with me but at

1411
01:04:34,890 --> 01:04:33,040
least be open to the possibility and

1412
01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:34,900
he's not even open he's saying no but

1413
01:04:42,210 --> 01:04:37,900
the bird and I'm an expert in Raytheon

1414
01:04:44,220 --> 01:04:42,220
flür devices I'm not sure I'm so sure

1415
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:44,230
that's exactly what he say but he is

1416
01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:50,290
trying to offer it now I'm okay with

1417
01:04:53,610 --> 01:04:52,300
that with a good honest skeptic I am I

1418
01:04:57,810 --> 01:04:53,620
don't have any problems with it that

1419
01:04:59,940 --> 01:04:57,820
they have made points that does that

1420
01:05:02,490 --> 01:04:59,950
have forced me to tighten up my

1421
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:02,500
arguments a little bit I think that if

1422
01:05:07,230 --> 01:05:05,290
you stay open mind into a good skeptic

1423
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:07,240
not just a naysayer and they say oh yeah

1424
01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:10,450
I saying isn't being a good skeptic that

1425
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:12,790
it can that can benefit your work let's

1426
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,730
put it that way no I know that I'm not

1427
01:05:21,390 --> 01:05:17,440
part of that but when you continually

1428
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:21,400
just be a pessimist about every little

1429
01:05:26,670 --> 01:05:23,890
thing that has come out and so much

1430
01:05:30,270 --> 01:05:26,680
evidence it's ridiculous like how much

1431
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:30,280
more do you actually need for you

1432
01:05:35,789 --> 01:05:33,609
finally to maybe open let that door Oh

1433
01:05:37,289 --> 01:05:35,799
a little bit like how much more do you

1434
01:05:39,809 --> 01:05:37,299
actually do you need to land on your

1435
01:05:41,609 --> 01:05:39,819
front lawn I mean do you or do you want

1436
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:41,619
yeah for some people that's what it's

1437
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:43,710
gonna take

1438
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:49,089
right now I will I wouldn't wish this be

1439
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:50,319
honest and you can talk to other

1440
01:05:53,729 --> 01:05:52,089
experiencers to other people that dealt

1441
01:05:57,539 --> 01:05:53,739
with the paranormal but I want to wish

1442
01:05:59,489 --> 01:05:57,549
it on anybody you don't want you you

1443
01:06:01,140 --> 01:05:59,499
thinking I'm not seeing you but I'm just

1444
01:06:03,989 --> 01:06:01,150
saying people who like I want to be

1445
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:03,999
abducted no you don't it's not a fun

1446
01:06:09,630 --> 01:06:06,249
thing like it's not like a joy ride at

1447
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:09,640
Disneyland no it matches with your head

1448
01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:13,690
it causes you to examine yourself are

1449
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:16,150
you crazy you know I for a while there

1450
01:06:22,769 --> 01:06:19,210
my wife and I were free in with each

1451
01:06:24,839 --> 01:06:22,779
other because she wants me to like get

1452
01:06:28,410 --> 01:06:24,849
away from the subject because it doesn't

1453
01:06:31,739 --> 01:06:28,420
bring anything but bad to my health and

1454
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:31,749
my well-being when I talk about this and

1455
01:06:35,729 --> 01:06:33,609
that's why I wanted this interview to be

1456
01:06:37,410 --> 01:06:35,739
my last and certainly the phenomenon

1457
01:06:41,339 --> 01:06:37,420
doesn't allow that to happen

1458
01:06:43,979 --> 01:06:41,349
you got more line not people just came

1459
01:06:45,930 --> 01:06:43,989
out of the woodwork and said hey we want

1460
01:06:48,059 --> 01:06:45,940
you to do your show I'm like oh come on

1461
01:06:48,690 --> 01:06:48,069
like I really don't want to talk about

1462
01:06:52,019 --> 01:06:48,700
this anymore

1463
01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:52,029
no I just want to focus on my wife my

1464
01:06:56,759 --> 01:06:54,670
own research and be done with it but my

1465
01:07:01,499 --> 01:06:56,769
point is you don't want to be abducted

1466
01:07:03,180 --> 01:07:01,509
you don't want to per se be in the

1467
01:07:05,309 --> 01:07:03,190
presence of this phenomenon because it

1468
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:05,319
messes with you and in messages your

1469
01:07:10,259 --> 01:07:07,359
head and sometimes the message is your

1470
01:07:11,999 --> 01:07:10,269
family and it's not something that you

1471
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:12,009
should take lightly I know some people

1472
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:14,799
say when it would be so much fun

1473
01:07:19,049 --> 01:07:17,170
I don't know that that's the word I use

1474
01:07:21,329 --> 01:07:19,059
to describe what happened you know

1475
01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:21,339
especially the fact that you can just in

1476
01:07:26,099 --> 01:07:23,980
your mind and tell you stuff and then it

1477
01:07:29,849 --> 01:07:26,109
just clicks off and you don't hear from

1478
01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:29,859
it again for like another year or or the

1479
01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:32,950
fact that you see these things and by

1480
01:07:38,099 --> 01:07:35,980
the way going back to my event I was

1481
01:07:41,309 --> 01:07:38,109
never scared of those things like I've

1482
01:07:45,420 --> 01:07:41,319
never had fear but in the years prior

1483
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:45,430
after that especially in the years after

1484
01:07:50,010 --> 01:07:47,050
that especially when communion came

1485
01:07:52,890 --> 01:07:50,020
the movie all I was definitely afraid I

1486
01:07:54,810 --> 01:07:52,900
wouldn't even come close to my bedroom

1487
01:07:58,290 --> 01:07:54,820
at nighttime I was definitely afraid I

1488
01:08:00,210 --> 01:07:58,300
just knew something was off something if

1489
01:08:01,859 --> 01:08:00,220
I was alone that something that's going

1490
01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:01,869
to come and get me and I will add

1491
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:03,310
because I know we're kind of beyond that

1492
01:08:07,740 --> 01:08:05,050
we were talking to the stars well let's

1493
01:08:09,930 --> 01:08:07,750
go back to my event real quick I took my

1494
01:08:12,750 --> 01:08:09,940
daughter to this farmhouse my uncle is

1495
01:08:15,330 --> 01:08:12,760
there now this past April April 1st and

1496
01:08:18,300 --> 01:08:15,340
my aunt and uncle lived there still and

1497
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:18,310
this is interesting the window and their

1498
01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:20,799
bedroom that looks down where the corn

1499
01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:23,140
field would be they have paranormal

1500
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,520
stuff happening their house quite often

1501
01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:27,279
with that window were the the drapes or

1502
01:08:31,980 --> 01:08:29,620
the the window dressings get messed with

1503
01:08:34,050 --> 01:08:31,990
either at night or they'll be in the

1504
01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:34,060
living room where that big bay window is

1505
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:39,190
and you'll hear and it is so weird that

1506
01:08:45,780 --> 01:08:43,170
they said that just this past April I

1507
01:08:48,059 --> 01:08:45,790
thought I had to add dad totally forgot

1508
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:48,069
that I should add that but it's very

1509
01:08:54,450 --> 01:08:50,440
interesting that like this whatever is

1510
01:08:56,970 --> 01:08:54,460
there may not just be extraterrestrial

1511
01:08:58,829 --> 01:08:56,980
it could be something else or who knows

1512
01:09:01,380 --> 01:08:58,839
I don't know that's why I'm not I'm not

1513
01:09:03,059 --> 01:09:01,390
in the camp of it's got to be et I know

1514
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:03,069
that's going to turn some people off but

1515
01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:06,850
that's my god honest truth yeah well you

1516
01:09:12,749 --> 01:09:09,490
know generally you know I guess it just

1517
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:12,759
happens to be a lot of people that you

1518
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:15,279
know end up having a UFO or et

1519
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:19,600
experience they they normally from what

1520
01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:21,759
I understand have a lot of different

1521
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:23,470
other experiences that would be

1522
01:09:29,130 --> 01:09:25,810
considered paranormal you know yeah

1523
01:09:32,190 --> 01:09:29,140
whatever the reason that is yeah I mean

1524
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:32,200
some people would say it's connected to

1525
01:09:36,749 --> 01:09:35,410
how much stresses in your life and James

1526
01:09:39,059 --> 01:09:36,759
you and I are and Frank were talking

1527
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:39,069
before the show started to how you asked

1528
01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:40,750
if my wife had seen the UFO and I said

1529
01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:41,980
no but we had a paranormal experience

1530
01:09:46,499 --> 01:09:44,500
together and this place in Michigan is

1531
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:46,509
almost like a skinwalker ranch type of

1532
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:48,490
place I would say because I know there's

1533
01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:50,410
other phenomenon that's happened there

1534
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:54,660
in the past but our experience was very

1535
01:09:58,410 --> 01:09:57,010
poltergeist in the sense of like the

1536
01:09:59,370 --> 01:09:58,420
water would Ripple I'm not going to go

1537
01:10:02,580 --> 01:09:59,380
into that event

1538
01:10:04,860 --> 01:10:02,590
but the water rippled and was angry the

1539
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:04,870
temperature it was a November day the

1540
01:10:08,850 --> 01:10:06,640
temperature went from 70 degrees here in

1541
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:08,860
Michigan which is a not a typical time

1542
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:11,760
to be that warm in there late November

1543
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:14,650
but it dropped 40 degrees they got to

1544
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:15,730
the point where you could see her breath

1545
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:18,250
in the matter of seconds and whatever

1546
01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:21,310
was happening in this Park this Native

1547
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:24,070
American petroglyph Park in the thumb of

1548
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:27,490
Michigan whatever was happening was very

1549
01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:29,230
angry at what we were doing and we

1550
01:10:32,970 --> 01:10:30,580
weren't really doing anything we're just

1551
01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:32,980
walking around in the park and I knew

1552
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,580
from my dad's experience with Native

1553
01:10:41,610 --> 01:10:38,560
Americans is you need to give an

1554
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:41,620
offering of something and my wife at

1555
01:10:45,930 --> 01:10:44,170
that time smoked and I told her give me

1556
01:10:47,610 --> 01:10:45,940
a cigarette let me break it up and we'll

1557
01:10:48,990 --> 01:10:47,620
give it to backhoe and everything calmed

1558
01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:49,000
down the water calm down

1559
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:51,670
the temperature came back up and that

1560
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:55,210
that I'm this feeling went away I can't

1561
01:10:59,940 --> 01:10:58,000
explain it was me my wife my cousin so

1562
01:11:05,100 --> 01:10:59,950
there was three people that experienced

1563
01:11:10,230 --> 01:11:05,110
it excuse me so yeah phenomenon ways to

1564
01:11:13,890 --> 01:11:10,240
smoke yeah yeah it's I've heard other

1565
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:13,900
stories of like almost like little Pudge

1566
01:11:21,210 --> 01:11:17,170
walkie looking creatures in that Park

1567
01:11:23,370 --> 01:11:21,220
I've heard we were my cousin's nine we

1568
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:23,380
had heard like Bigfoot calls I know this

1569
01:11:26,970 --> 01:11:24,880
is not a Bigfoot show and I'm not trying

1570
01:11:30,330 --> 01:11:26,980
to get into cryptozoology but I'll be

1571
01:11:33,660 --> 01:11:30,340
honest we we heard what you would think

1572
01:11:36,210 --> 01:11:33,670
is the Sasquatch and calling it was

1573
01:11:38,430 --> 01:11:36,220
really strange and I will say this too

1574
01:11:40,290 --> 01:11:38,440
you know some people say there's not

1575
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:40,300
like a factor when they're in the

1576
01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:43,930
presence of a UFO or the time like kind

1577
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:46,270
of starts it kind of felt that way too

1578
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:49,360
during that entire time when we were in

1579
01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:51,850
that Park when this this event took

1580
01:11:57,690 --> 01:11:55,180
place so that's all I can say and really

1581
01:11:59,340 --> 01:11:57,700
since then I haven't messed with

1582
01:12:01,620 --> 01:11:59,350
anything I haven't gone anywhere I

1583
01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:01,630
really haven't had any other experiences

1584
01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:04,360
I will say this I've told Frank this

1585
01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:07,390
before it almost seems that every time I

1586
01:12:12,809 --> 01:12:12,100
try to distance myself from this subject

1587
01:12:15,089 --> 01:12:12,819
or

1588
01:12:18,689 --> 01:12:15,099
the phenomenon and get away from it it

1589
01:12:20,759 --> 01:12:18,699
pulls me back in it's so weird and I've

1590
01:12:22,889 --> 01:12:20,769
talked to other researchers and some

1591
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:22,899
other experiences and they all say the

1592
01:12:28,169 --> 01:12:25,209
same thing that it doesn't let you do

1593
01:12:32,369 --> 01:12:28,179
that it just it keeps you going forward

1594
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:32,379
it keeps you on the you know the page

1595
01:12:37,619 --> 01:12:34,329
that you need to be on and if you

1596
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:37,629
deviate it like it just your research

1597
01:12:42,569 --> 01:12:40,719
just takes a nosedive or what you should

1598
01:12:45,689 --> 01:12:42,579
be looking in that I don't know how to

1599
01:12:48,599 --> 01:12:45,699
explain it like I can't articulate you

1600
01:12:51,869 --> 01:12:48,609
just have to experience yourself it just

1601
01:12:56,669 --> 01:12:51,879
kind of like goes away it's weird

1602
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,679
so yeah I know Chris what do you think

1603
01:12:58,679 --> 01:12:58,239
we've got coming up over the next few

1604
01:13:00,899 --> 01:12:58,689
months

1605
01:13:05,729 --> 01:13:00,909
what by the end of the year what do you

1606
01:13:08,909 --> 01:13:05,739
think we're going to be from my

1607
01:13:11,369 --> 01:13:08,919
interaction with Gary Nolan he'd said

1608
01:13:15,059 --> 01:13:11,379
that 2018 would be a very interesting

1609
01:13:17,309 --> 01:13:15,069
year for this subject and then going off

1610
01:13:20,339 --> 01:13:17,319
of what Grant had said both to me

1611
01:13:23,729 --> 01:13:20,349
privately in the on public is I do

1612
01:13:27,089 --> 01:13:23,739
believe his sources are correct and that

1613
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:27,099
two stars probably has 20 plus videos

1614
01:13:33,119 --> 01:13:29,169
and they're going to get better with

1615
01:13:35,129 --> 01:13:33,129
each one again it's a walk the public to

1616
01:13:37,829 --> 01:13:35,139
this phenomenon not run them to this

1617
01:13:41,729 --> 01:13:37,839
phenomenon and don't don't get them

1618
01:13:44,309 --> 01:13:41,739
scared you know slowly hold their hand

1619
01:13:47,909 --> 01:13:44,319
and bring them to the realization that

1620
01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:47,919
this is indeed real and that this

1621
01:13:52,049 --> 01:13:50,260
phenomenon represents something what I

1622
01:13:53,819 --> 01:13:52,059
don't know like I I'm not going to sit

1623
01:13:55,770 --> 01:13:53,829
here and say that it is gonna be your

1624
01:13:57,569 --> 01:13:55,780
best friend but at the same time I don't

1625
01:13:58,979 --> 01:13:57,579
think he's out to kill people but they

1626
01:14:02,039 --> 01:13:58,989
think it has the potential to do that

1627
01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:02,049
and I know some people and the eth

1628
01:14:07,259 --> 01:14:05,169
community would probably not like me

1629
01:14:09,209 --> 01:14:07,269
saying that that you know ETS are you

1630
01:14:11,219 --> 01:14:09,219
know third they're here for peace I

1631
01:14:13,259 --> 01:14:11,229
don't necessarily Groot that and I'm not

1632
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:13,269
saying here in saying that they're here

1633
01:14:15,539 --> 01:14:14,530
to destroy us either because if they

1634
01:14:18,209 --> 01:14:15,549
wanted to they probably would the

1635
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:18,219
destroyer is a long time ago but I just

1636
01:14:26,069 --> 01:14:22,169
I feel that we're gonna learn a lot more

1637
01:14:26,490 --> 01:14:26,079
in 2018 I think it's going to be a year

1638
01:14:29,550 --> 01:14:26,500
for

1639
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:29,560
or people to look back in time and say

1640
01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:34,450
this was the year late 2017 and 2018 was

1641
01:14:40,710 --> 01:14:37,780
the timeframe where we really in the

1642
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:40,720
public have started to take started to

1643
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:43,510
take this phenomenon serious and for

1644
01:14:48,450 --> 01:14:45,610
real and that it's not for ridicule it's

1645
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:48,460
no longer x-files music and hahaha

1646
01:14:51,690 --> 01:14:49,960
there's lights or you're gonna get

1647
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:51,700
probed or anything like that

1648
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:52,930
they're actually taking it seriously

1649
01:14:57,900 --> 01:14:56,100
which for me is awesome because now we

1650
01:15:00,690 --> 01:14:57,910
me you Frank

1651
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:00,700
James and everybody else that we like we

1652
01:15:04,860 --> 01:15:02,770
don't look like crazy people anymore you

1653
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:04,870
know before you kind of get ridiculed

1654
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:08,170
that you're just all your UFO guy well I

1655
01:15:12,420 --> 01:15:10,330
hate to say it's a real thing you need

1656
01:15:15,330 --> 01:15:12,430
that you need to deal with that you know

1657
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:15,340
some people it's gonna be really hard

1658
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,130
for people I'm not gonna call the

1659
01:15:23,190 --> 01:15:20,800
religious way but it's gonna be hard for

1660
01:15:25,710 --> 01:15:23,200
some people to accept that yeah there's

1661
01:15:29,670 --> 01:15:25,720
this other stuff there's like Grant says

1662
01:15:31,140 --> 01:15:29,680
there's no there there it's endless

1663
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,150
you know who knows what we're dealing

1664
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:33,520
with I don't know I will never say for

1665
01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:35,290
claim yes we were dealing with

1666
01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:36,760
extraterrestrials or we deal with

1667
01:15:41,490 --> 01:15:39,550
Internet dimensionals or anything like

1668
01:15:44,570 --> 01:15:41,500
that I don't know I just know it's

1669
01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:44,580
really weird it interacts with people in

1670
01:15:49,980 --> 01:15:47,710
individual way yes people can have like

1671
01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:49,990
mass sightings but typically the UFO

1672
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:52,270
phenomenon is the individual one it's

1673
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:55,930
not a group thing you know so no I I

1674
01:16:00,210 --> 01:15:58,330
think 2018 is gonna be a very big year I

1675
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:00,220
think we're gonna learn a lot I think

1676
01:16:06,060 --> 01:16:03,280
we're gonna see a lot and honestly I

1677
01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:06,070
think it's gonna be really really fun I

1678
01:16:12,290 --> 01:16:08,230
think for some people it's gonna be kind

1679
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:12,300
of upsetting because they're gonna be

1680
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:14,710
there are a lot of people out there who

1681
01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:16,810
look to find things to get upset about

1682
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:20,230
so you're or the outrage of the day but

1683
01:16:25,170 --> 01:16:22,570
it's again it's you got to deal with it

1684
01:16:26,940 --> 01:16:25,180
though that's the problem like you had

1685
01:16:28,770 --> 01:16:26,950
to deal with the fact that the report on

1686
01:16:30,540 --> 01:16:28,780
the nimitz event was released you had to

1687
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:30,550
deal with it you had to deal with the

1688
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:33,490
fact that the tic-tac video now granted

1689
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:37,210
I had that two weeks prior to it being

1690
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:39,310
released from two stars I was given to

1691
01:16:44,669 --> 01:16:39,730
it

1692
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:44,679
given to me by a person that was loosely

1693
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:46,810
associated with Jimmy Carvel and that

1694
01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:49,570
video mysteriously has disappeared off

1695
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:51,940
of my facebook messenger but I did have

1696
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:53,520
that tic-tac video two weeks prior to

1697
01:17:04,140 --> 01:16:57,040
two stars releasing it which is

1698
01:17:04,590 --> 01:17:04,150
interesting but uh there's more on the

1699
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:04,600
way

1700
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:07,840
yeah there's I mean I don't know for

1701
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,410
sure what is coming up other than we

1702
01:17:17,850 --> 01:17:13,920
will not be disappointed I'll say that

1703
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:17,860
and this is also from Chris Bledsoe who

1704
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:20,110
was part of the whole to the stars thing

1705
01:17:26,330 --> 01:17:21,730
and they kind of went in his separate

1706
01:17:28,860 --> 01:17:26,340
ways once they at least what I was told

1707
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:28,870
he did not like the way that that group

1708
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:32,530
was gonna push the evil alien agenda and

1709
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:34,480
that he didn't think that this was evil

1710
01:17:40,220 --> 01:17:37,360
in any way shape or form so he parted

1711
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:40,230
ways and he had told me a few times that

1712
01:17:44,669 --> 01:17:42,190
brothers there's gonna be a lot coming

1713
01:17:47,310 --> 01:17:44,679
he couldn't get into he gets again he

1714
01:17:50,370 --> 01:17:47,320
sent Andy a but what he did say to me

1715
01:17:52,740 --> 01:17:50,380
was interesting that you know there's a

1716
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:52,750
lot and there's a lot to this it's not

1717
01:17:59,040 --> 01:17:56,890
just some kind of SIOP for the public

1718
01:18:01,260 --> 01:17:59,050
you know and again I think the UFO

1719
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:01,270
community does it deserves a disservice

1720
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:04,330
to themselves this whole Dolan effort is

1721
01:18:08,820 --> 01:18:06,250
not pointing at us it's pointing at the

1722
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:08,830
public it's not for us it's for the

1723
01:18:16,169 --> 01:18:13,090
public we are not I mean yes they do

1724
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:16,179
watch us but they're we're nothing that

1725
01:18:21,689 --> 01:18:18,730
we're not the intended target for this

1726
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:21,699
campaign the public is because now you

1727
01:18:28,140 --> 01:18:25,120
see people talking about this and taking

1728
01:18:29,250 --> 01:18:28,150
us seriously which never would happen

1729
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:29,260
before never

1730
01:18:33,930 --> 01:18:31,690
and I'm sorry people who say this has

1731
01:18:36,570 --> 01:18:33,940
been done before you're wrong this has

1732
01:18:39,060 --> 01:18:36,580
never happened we've never had this much

1733
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:39,070
media attention and this many articles

1734
01:18:46,530 --> 01:18:43,530
in this much attention on the details of

1735
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:46,540
what this phenomenon possibly represents

1736
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:49,900
ever and if do you think otherwise

1737
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:51,820
that's fine that's your opinion but in

1738
01:18:55,260 --> 01:18:52,930
my opinion

1739
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:55,270
I don't remember time ever and that the

1740
01:18:58,890 --> 01:18:56,800
people I've talked to researchers and

1741
01:19:01,050 --> 01:18:58,900
evening experiences they all agree that

1742
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:01,060
they've never seen this much activity

1743
01:19:08,190 --> 01:19:03,210
ever so something is happening something

1744
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,200
clearly is happening so yeah I know I

1745
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:10,480
don't know what else you would like to

1746
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:13,810
talk about but do you have anything else

1747
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:14,850
there James

1748
01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:17,710
no no that's just about it other than to

1749
01:19:24,330 --> 01:19:20,140
say that yeah it's been going you know

1750
01:19:26,910 --> 01:19:24,340
pretty strong since the December 2017

1751
01:19:30,150 --> 01:19:26,920
article with the New York Times it

1752
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,160
really hasn't led up that much well

1753
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:32,560
people would say has though that's the

1754
01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:37,690
problem like I somebody commented what

1755
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:39,910
was to the Stars done anything lately

1756
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:44,290
I'm like yeah they just have you lived

1757
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:46,690
under rock I mean here's the other thing

1758
01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:49,570
is and I can't prove this okay I'm just

1759
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:51,550
gonna put this on here and Frank or

1760
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:53,650
James you could speak to this possibly

1761
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:55,810
to and I can't prove this I can't

1762
01:20:00,930 --> 01:19:58,000
I have no factual proof on this but I'm

1763
01:20:04,910 --> 01:20:00,940
just gonna let it go is it interesting

1764
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:04,920
that Jimmy Korbel and both George Nant

1765
01:20:11,550 --> 01:20:09,010
somehow always had the goods that is

1766
01:20:13,650 --> 01:20:11,560
slightly it's slightly connected to the

1767
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:13,660
Stars but not quite but it kind of is

1768
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:20,050
and they somehow get the the the the big

1769
01:20:24,030 --> 01:20:21,970
scoop I should say you know like with

1770
01:20:25,980 --> 01:20:24,040
Korbel he gets to put up the skinwalker

1771
01:20:27,780 --> 01:20:25,990
movie he gets to put out the Baba's our

1772
01:20:30,530 --> 01:20:27,790
definitive documentary which by the way

1773
01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:30,540
two stars is gonna be putting out the

1774
01:20:35,970 --> 01:20:33,310
autobiography of Bob Lazar you know

1775
01:20:37,650 --> 01:20:35,980
people don't realize that though so I

1776
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:37,660
just I find it interesting that those

1777
01:20:41,970 --> 01:20:39,730
those guys and then again I don't know

1778
01:20:45,570 --> 01:20:41,980
what they're working together jeremy has

1779
01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:45,580
never indicated that he is but I find it

1780
01:20:52,590 --> 01:20:47,910
very interesting that he gets so much

1781
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:52,600
and he gets AB you know Jeremy Korbel I

1782
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:55,120
mean he's you know he's been commenting

1783
01:20:59,070 --> 01:20:56,560
on this and if you if you listen to when

1784
01:21:00,570 --> 01:20:59,080
he talks he you know he's a letting on

1785
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:00,580
that he knows a little more than he key

1786
01:21:05,670 --> 01:21:02,770
and say every time talks and you know

1787
01:21:06,610 --> 01:21:05,680
going back to even 2016 where I think he

1788
01:21:11,140 --> 01:21:06,620
did an interview

1789
01:21:14,620 --> 01:21:11,150
Church and you know I would assume that

1790
01:21:18,910 --> 01:21:14,630
you know a lot of this stuff he he knew

1791
01:21:24,970 --> 01:21:18,920
you know like the the other name for a

1792
01:21:26,980 --> 01:21:24,980
tip I you know I for him to know that

1793
01:21:28,690 --> 01:21:26,990
you know really before any of it was

1794
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:28,700
being leaked out George Knapp is a

1795
01:21:35,230 --> 01:21:30,890
little more careful but he'll let some

1796
01:21:36,940 --> 01:21:35,240
of it out but you know I think that

1797
01:21:40,810 --> 01:21:36,950
Jeremy Korbel knew that well before

1798
01:21:43,450 --> 01:21:40,820
happen I agree and then when it started

1799
01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:43,460
to kind of like ripple out from Paul

1800
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:48,590
Dean and and some of the other people he

1801
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:52,250
posted the photo with the Dean the flag

1802
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:54,050
with the name in the photo what you

1803
01:21:58,720 --> 01:21:55,610
pulled it out on Twitter like hey look

1804
01:22:01,240 --> 01:21:58,730
at that yeah I don't think he just took

1805
01:22:03,460 --> 01:22:01,250
that photo that day no I don't think

1806
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:03,470
he's been working on this stuff for a

1807
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:06,170
while and you hit the like for people to

1808
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:08,570
realize is he's he's been in the same

1809
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:11,570
car with time too long so it's yeah I

1810
01:22:15,940 --> 01:22:14,090
mean it's not that much of a stretch to

1811
01:22:18,370 --> 01:22:15,950
say that they are working in it and

1812
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:18,380
that's why I include their work with

1813
01:22:22,270 --> 01:22:20,090
this whole two stars even though they're

1814
01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:22,280
not under the umbrella two stars I

1815
01:22:26,980 --> 01:22:25,190
stolen get because we're getting so much

1816
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,990
it's ridiculous we're getting so much

1817
01:22:30,340 --> 01:22:28,400
you can't keep up with it

1818
01:22:31,930 --> 01:22:30,350
yeah exactly and that's for the first

1819
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:31,940
time in a long time that you know where

1820
01:22:35,710 --> 01:22:33,770
you it's really hard to keep up with

1821
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:35,720
everything's going on and bob lazar like

1822
01:22:41,950 --> 01:22:38,560
you said you know jeremy Korbel is doing

1823
01:22:45,490 --> 01:22:41,960
the documentary on him yet tom delonge

1824
01:22:48,460 --> 01:22:45,500
is doing his biography yeah you know and

1825
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:48,470
bob lazar as an associate with with

1826
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:51,410
people really so for him to be

1827
01:22:56,380 --> 01:22:53,510
associated with Tom DeLonge and with

1828
01:22:58,630 --> 01:22:56,390
Jeremy Korbel was you know evident of

1829
01:23:00,970 --> 01:22:58,640
something yeah there's clearly a

1830
01:23:02,740 --> 01:23:00,980
consortium there you know there's to the

1831
01:23:07,210 --> 01:23:02,750
stars and then you've got connections

1832
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:07,220
back to big lows either bass or needs or

1833
01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:10,130
whatever corporation he's formed to get

1834
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:13,060
this or that done the green Nolan study

1835
01:23:18,130 --> 01:23:15,770
jacques valet but maybe sort of a

1836
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:18,140
freelancer doing what he wants when he

1837
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:19,170
wants

1838
01:23:24,290 --> 01:23:22,890
you know it's always interesting a lot

1839
01:23:26,660 --> 01:23:24,300
of the guys that they talk about it

1840
01:23:28,910 --> 01:23:26,670
being a CIA operation obviously there

1841
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:28,920
are some guys who worked in the past the

1842
01:23:35,870 --> 01:23:33,120
semi van and Elizondo himself worked in

1843
01:23:37,820 --> 01:23:35,880
defense intelligence so there is that

1844
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:37,830
but by the same token they've got their

1845
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:40,770
names on this thing - yeah well I'm

1846
01:23:47,150 --> 01:23:44,130
George Knapp I'm gonna assume you know

1847
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:47,160
he he says in in the preview for Jeremy

1848
01:23:53,330 --> 01:23:50,550
corbels movie hunt for the skinwalker

1849
01:23:55,310 --> 01:23:53,340
that he had to sign an NDA and had all

1850
01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:55,320
the information and when all those

1851
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:58,290
studies were going on years ago I would

1852
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:00,840
make a bet that he knew all this stuff

1853
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:04,320
oh no he knew I don't know about

1854
01:24:09,860 --> 01:24:07,170
everything but he knew all I I think

1855
01:24:12,710 --> 01:24:09,870
most of this just because he you know

1856
01:24:16,010 --> 01:24:12,720
the whole you know Jeremy corbels kind

1857
01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:16,020
of pushing that all this stuff with

1858
01:24:20,930 --> 01:24:18,630
skinwalker ranch has an association with

1859
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:20,940
a tip and I was going back to the

1860
01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:23,730
beginning of the 8a program I will give

1861
01:24:27,770 --> 01:24:26,280
you guys a little and they now won't

1862
01:24:30,020 --> 01:24:27,780
mention the person's name I'll just say

1863
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:30,030
they are a person doesn't know that

1864
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:33,420
lives in Michigan this person is the

1865
01:24:39,650 --> 01:24:36,510
experiencer and they had interactions

1866
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:39,660
during the time that Bigelow owned MUFON

1867
01:24:46,370 --> 01:24:43,800
and this person went to the big MUFON

1868
01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:46,380
conference I in Colorado I probably you

1869
01:24:51,710 --> 01:24:48,510
mean shouldn't say this but I'll let a

1870
01:24:58,880 --> 01:24:51,720
little bit out and it's interesting I've

1871
01:25:02,480 --> 01:24:58,890
known this person basically got pulled

1872
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,490
to the side Starbucks with George lamp

1873
01:25:06,740 --> 01:25:04,320
and George net basically told this

1874
01:25:12,650 --> 01:25:06,750
person yeah you're having use events at

1875
01:25:19,250 --> 01:25:15,110
Barbara big law would be very interested

1876
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:19,260
in hearing more about your events and

1877
01:25:23,570 --> 01:25:21,600
that never just that never really took

1878
01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:23,580
place but it also this person wasn't

1879
01:25:31,939 --> 01:25:29,960
MUFON and they were on the star team and

1880
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:31,949
they

1881
01:25:40,490 --> 01:25:37,110
people that were on star teams had to

1882
01:25:44,660 --> 01:25:40,500
sign NDA because that's when big law had

1883
01:25:47,090 --> 01:25:44,670
bought basically MUFON and the Rapid

1884
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:47,100
Response Teams and this person kind of

1885
01:25:52,610 --> 01:25:50,250
figured out that big law was the person

1886
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,620
behind this and here's the interesting

1887
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:54,480
part that there was some kind of

1888
01:25:59,810 --> 01:25:56,850
military aspect to it now they didn't

1889
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,820
know who but they did realize that there

1890
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:01,920
was a military aspect to this whole

1891
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:06,000
project but this person decided against

1892
01:26:10,820 --> 01:26:08,520
being on that group because they just

1893
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:10,830
wanted to be left alone they just wanted

1894
01:26:14,900 --> 01:26:12,600
to live their life and kind of just

1895
01:26:17,870 --> 01:26:14,910
forget about what had happened and they

1896
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:17,880
didn't want any more shenanigans going

1897
01:26:24,050 --> 01:26:22,260
on and basically this person didn't want

1898
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,060
to deal with the whole MUFON thing

1899
01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:26,400
didn't want to deal with the whole I had

1900
01:26:32,900 --> 01:26:28,230
to sign the NDA and all that rigmarole

1901
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:32,910
so this person excused themselves from

1902
01:26:39,770 --> 01:26:34,530
that situation but it is interesting

1903
01:26:43,729 --> 01:26:39,780
that MUFON got bought out by Robert

1904
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:43,739
Bigelow and now we know that the DIA was

1905
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,290
that contract and it's very interesting

1906
01:26:50,959 --> 01:26:48,239
because this was a person that has

1907
01:26:53,060 --> 01:26:50,969
nothing to gain from Tommy this and

1908
01:26:57,380 --> 01:26:53,070
again I'm not going to get into who this

1909
01:26:59,600 --> 01:26:57,390
person is but I can vouch for him and it

1910
01:27:01,939 --> 01:26:59,610
just is interesting for me to hand a

1911
01:27:04,189 --> 01:27:01,949
little window into the fact that yes

1912
01:27:05,780 --> 01:27:04,199
that was the case and I think Bible and

1913
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:05,790
then you're saying basically the George

1914
01:27:09,140 --> 01:27:07,530
Knapp was acting as a bit of a talent

1915
01:27:17,810 --> 01:27:09,150
scout for Bigelow winner when he was

1916
01:27:20,330 --> 01:27:17,820
going yes yes yes yeah oh that's what I

1917
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:20,340
was gonna say Alejandro Rojas he was one

1918
01:27:26,689 --> 01:27:22,560
of the people that also kind of figured

1919
01:27:28,490 --> 01:27:26,699
out that this was a dia but again he had

1920
01:27:31,610 --> 01:27:28,500
signed I wanted to say he had signed the

1921
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:31,620
NDA so he can talk about it and then

1922
01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:34,410
people were like MUFON I guess like blew

1923
01:27:38,990 --> 01:27:36,420
up internally they they had the people

1924
01:27:40,820 --> 01:27:39,000
are like how dare we have people have to

1925
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:40,830
sign NDA's and work with the government

1926
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,050
in the this guy Barbara Bigelow and then

1927
01:27:45,890 --> 01:27:45,120
you had to half that kept saying you

1928
01:27:47,390 --> 01:27:45,900
know this is

1929
01:27:49,820 --> 01:27:47,400
excellent this is great you know let's

1930
01:27:51,890 --> 01:27:49,830
do this but they didn't realize what all

1931
01:27:53,899 --> 01:27:51,900
came with that you know and again I

1932
01:27:56,899 --> 01:27:53,909
don't know if those people got actually

1933
01:27:59,120 --> 01:27:56,909
paid I don't know or they assumed they

1934
01:28:01,490 --> 01:27:59,130
would or at least got paid for their

1935
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:01,500
services to go on on the ground because

1936
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:04,860
Bigelow supposedly had not money were

1937
01:28:11,209 --> 01:28:07,770
basically this response team could land

1938
01:28:13,850 --> 01:28:11,219
in any state within what a day or so or

1939
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:13,860
even a couple hours it seems like if you

1940
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:15,570
were I don't know how closely you were

1941
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,250
following things but this kind of blew

1942
01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:19,199
up just at the time I was getting really

1943
01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:22,350
serious and really starting to do some

1944
01:28:26,990 --> 01:28:24,630
hardcore research in this it was kind of

1945
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:27,000
in the aftermath of the Stephenville

1946
01:28:34,580 --> 01:28:32,370
case yeah really like the last big you

1947
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:34,590
know case where you really had an entire

1948
01:28:39,470 --> 01:28:37,650
community seeing things and being up in

1949
01:28:41,780 --> 01:28:39,480
arms about it and they're getting a lot

1950
01:28:44,570 --> 01:28:41,790
of national attention so that happened I

1951
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:44,580
think in late 2008 and it was still just

1952
01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:47,010
kind of dying down but that seems to

1953
01:28:52,370 --> 01:28:49,260
maybe been the catalyst a little bit of

1954
01:28:55,490 --> 01:28:52,380
a fire under Bigelow to get some people

1955
01:28:58,100 --> 01:28:55,500
out in the field a little bit more well

1956
01:29:00,439 --> 01:28:58,110
it's interesting that big law it's like

1957
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:00,449
grant has mentioned this I believe even

1958
01:29:05,570 --> 01:29:03,210
on your show he went out and tried to

1959
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:05,580
buy a lot of data and he did buy a lot

1960
01:29:09,050 --> 01:29:07,199
of data but there's something that he

1961
01:29:11,959 --> 01:29:09,060
just they did they do it wasn't for sale

1962
01:29:16,820 --> 01:29:11,969
like the free organization data right

1963
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:16,830
experiencers but you know it's it's

1964
01:29:23,209 --> 01:29:20,760
interesting I mean that tells me as an

1965
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:23,219
educated person that he obviously knows

1966
01:29:30,410 --> 01:29:26,010
way more than what you or I know you

1967
01:29:32,030 --> 01:29:30,420
mean big yeah and obviously he alluded

1968
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:32,040
to that fact in the sixty minutes

1969
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:34,320
interview and then since then he's gone

1970
01:29:40,430 --> 01:29:36,840
silent he hasn't said a word nobody's

1971
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:40,440
been able to contact him nothing we

1972
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:42,000
haven't heard crap from him

1973
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:44,010
which I find very interesting but I

1974
01:29:48,590 --> 01:29:46,050
think it was the first salvo in this

1975
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:48,600
this whole ongoing thing I think it was

1976
01:29:53,209 --> 01:29:51,210
like the little his tidbit that he

1977
01:29:53,810 --> 01:29:53,219
wanted to get out and then he went back

1978
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:53,820
in the shadows

1979
01:29:59,180 --> 01:29:56,880
I know his daughter is on like Facebook

1980
01:29:59,480 --> 01:29:59,190
and an Instagram but she isn't posting

1981
01:30:01,400 --> 01:29:59,490
anything

1982
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,410
very interesting and really that's kind

1983
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:03,360
of stalkerish that you know people are

1984
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:05,130
even trying to do that but from what

1985
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,130
I've changed she's not been forthright

1986
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:09,840
with whatever you know her father is

1987
01:30:15,740 --> 01:30:13,530
doing so I don't know it's just it's so

1988
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:15,750
interesting such Copeland dagger stuff

1989
01:30:18,620 --> 01:30:16,320
guys

1990
01:30:20,150 --> 01:30:18,630
such cooking the good stuff it does get

1991
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:20,160
interesting and that is interesting is

1992
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:23,010
that the phenomenon itself but the the

1993
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:24,330
soap opera around it does get

1994
01:30:29,630 --> 01:30:26,970
interesting now and then yeah what I

1995
01:30:31,130 --> 01:30:29,640
can't understand is though yeah Robert

1996
01:30:32,420 --> 01:30:31,140
Bigelow is not the only rich guy in the

1997
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:32,430
world he's not the only rich guy who

1998
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:35,760
uses financial resources to pursue a

1999
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:38,490
passion or an interest a lot of guys

2000
01:30:43,610 --> 01:30:41,610
that money they might collect cars or

2001
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:43,620
art or something along those lines but

2002
01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:47,130
the payoff is always they kind of let

2003
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:48,450
you know they've got it you know they

2004
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:50,850
don't keep that a secret yeah you might

2005
01:30:54,110 --> 01:30:52,410
not be able to they might not let you

2006
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:54,120
drive the car but they'll show you a

2007
01:30:58,970 --> 01:30:55,530
picture they'll show you their garage

2008
01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:58,980
where they've got you know a dozen or so

2009
01:31:03,860 --> 01:31:01,920
or antique cars stacked or here's this

2010
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:03,870
masterpiece I collected and that's

2011
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:05,760
hanging on the wall of my living room

2012
01:31:09,380 --> 01:31:07,530
they'll let you know they've got it

2013
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:09,390
they'll let you know what it is but

2014
01:31:17,690 --> 01:31:13,440
Bigelow is very tight-lipped about the

2015
01:31:21,710 --> 01:31:17,700
specifics in terms of what he's got yeah

2016
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:21,720
yeah yeah you wonder what the endgame is

2017
01:31:25,790 --> 01:31:23,760
because you know I'm not that not to be

2018
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,800
morbid or anything but the guy is into

2019
01:31:29,420 --> 01:31:27,600
his seventies it's like well what's

2020
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:29,430
gonna happen with this stuff what would

2021
01:31:34,850 --> 01:31:31,650
happen with all the materials gathered

2022
01:31:36,250 --> 01:31:34,860
if you know by chance he falls ill or

2023
01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:36,260
drops dead tomorrow

2024
01:31:42,050 --> 01:31:40,440
that's a fantastic question I mean you

2025
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:42,060
know like to get big oil on and ask him

2026
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:50,400
myself but you know yeah I mean with

2027
01:31:56,540 --> 01:31:53,070
race Stanford the guys sitting on tons

2028
01:31:59,750 --> 01:31:56,550
of data and he's got like he also and I

2029
01:32:02,870 --> 01:31:59,760
want to say 60s or 70s he doesn't I'm

2030
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:02,880
track he's got to be pushing 80 yes but

2031
01:32:06,650 --> 01:32:04,290
in the sixties or seventies I don't know

2032
01:32:08,570 --> 01:32:06,660
which it is but he had a government

2033
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:08,580
contract from the Air Force to shoot

2034
01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:12,090
lasers at your folks that is truth as

2035
01:32:16,180 --> 01:32:13,490
the guy last true

2036
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:16,190
they'd call him grace Stanford up and

2037
01:32:21,370 --> 01:32:18,800
huge shoot lasers at UFOs when they came

2038
01:32:23,470 --> 01:32:21,380
near his house I'm not making it up

2039
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:23,480
that's that's the god-honest truth and

2040
01:32:27,370 --> 01:32:25,730
he's a guy he's got tons of data

2041
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:27,380
he's got film footage for crying out

2042
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:29,570
loud but he doesn't want to release it

2043
01:32:32,770 --> 01:32:31,370
he doesn't want to release it and then

2044
01:32:34,930 --> 01:32:32,780
the also wants to talk about his

2045
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:34,940
dinosaur collection which that's fine

2046
01:32:40,810 --> 01:32:38,000
I just wish these guys that were Scopus

2047
01:32:44,140 --> 01:32:40,820
amounts of data just let it go I mean

2048
01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:44,150
and I solve it yeah I don't know I mean

2049
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:46,880
and I get that or some people are saying

2050
01:32:51,250 --> 01:32:48,560
well see they don't have anything I

2051
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:51,260
disagree I mean if he spent that much

2052
01:32:58,930 --> 01:32:55,970
money to build a hangar in like like

2053
01:33:00,280 --> 01:32:58,940
infrastructure to houses stuff then

2054
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:00,290
obviously there's something to this

2055
01:33:04,570 --> 01:33:02,930
phenomenon or he brought that's another

2056
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:04,580
thing I wanted to bring up a lot gets

2057
01:33:09,340 --> 01:33:07,520
made about that but to the best of my

2058
01:33:10,750 --> 01:33:09,350
knowledge a lot of these materials in

2059
01:33:13,390 --> 01:33:10,760
these fragments they're really not that

2060
01:33:15,310 --> 01:33:13,400
big so no when somebody said they they

2061
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:15,320
they refit it or they repurposed the

2062
01:33:20,110 --> 01:33:17,570
building it might just be like one or

2063
01:33:22,570 --> 01:33:20,120
two rooms within a building that they're

2064
01:33:24,460 --> 01:33:22,580
using for a lot of other purposes as

2065
01:33:25,930 --> 01:33:24,470
well office space or whatever that

2066
01:33:30,670 --> 01:33:25,940
doesn't mean that they've got this

2067
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:30,680
entire warehouse filled with that like

2068
01:33:34,750 --> 01:33:32,210
that's for or anything like that

2069
01:33:36,250 --> 01:33:34,760
exactly exactly it would be very

2070
01:33:38,140 --> 01:33:36,260
interesting to go take a walk through

2071
01:33:40,900 --> 01:33:38,150
and see what they have absolutely no

2072
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:40,910
absolutely but it's in any office

2073
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:44,090
building when let's say an accountant

2074
01:33:47,650 --> 01:33:46,010
moves out and the dentist moves in well

2075
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:47,660
they're gonna change the the office

2076
01:33:51,790 --> 01:33:49,010
around a little bit for the dentist

2077
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:51,800
purposes or you know a jewelry store is

2078
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:54,170
compared to a yoga studio the jewelry

2079
01:33:58,030 --> 01:33:55,970
store is going to need more security

2080
01:34:00,040 --> 01:33:58,040
that type of thing I went what what kind

2081
01:34:01,570 --> 01:34:00,050
of security need for a yoga studio you

2082
01:34:03,340 --> 01:34:01,580
know what I mean it's like any kind of

2083
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:03,350
thing happens all the time I think it's

2084
01:34:09,670 --> 01:34:06,770
just getting taken through the literally

2085
01:34:11,860 --> 01:34:09,680
to the extreme you know what I mean yeah

2086
01:34:13,630 --> 01:34:11,870
and I would love to find out who is

2087
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:13,640
actually the security for the whole

2088
01:34:18,610 --> 01:34:16,730
Bigelow Aerospace you know is the EG&G

2089
01:34:20,830 --> 01:34:18,620
is it somebody else is it some kind of

2090
01:34:24,190 --> 01:34:20,840
private military contractor who is it

2091
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:24,200
cuz that we could possibly find out that

2092
01:34:26,669 --> 01:34:25,970
would be an interesting angle because if

2093
01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:26,679
it's the same people

2094
01:34:30,689 --> 01:34:28,840
who are secured you over areas that the

2095
01:34:33,419 --> 01:34:30,699
one they'd be very interesting in my

2096
01:34:35,879 --> 01:34:33,429
opinion but I I mean I guess I had to

2097
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:35,889
actually start to work on that it's just

2098
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:37,840
like a idea in my head it's not

2099
01:34:43,020 --> 01:34:40,090
something I've actually looked into but

2100
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:43,030
um yeah it's this whole thing is very

2101
01:34:47,129 --> 01:34:44,530
interesting I we live in very

2102
01:34:49,410 --> 01:34:47,139
interesting times I'm very excited I

2103
01:34:50,219 --> 01:34:49,420
will say that and hopefully there's

2104
01:34:51,959 --> 01:34:50,229
three years old

2105
01:34:53,310 --> 01:34:51,969
you know I'm obtained for her you know

2106
01:34:57,390 --> 01:34:53,320
this is gonna be pretty cool

2107
01:35:01,259 --> 01:34:57,400
yep maybe I don't know I I think it will

2108
01:35:02,819 --> 01:35:01,269
be I think I I am I'm I'm excited by the

2109
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:02,829
subject obviously I wouldn't have been

2110
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:06,249
into it as long as I had been and the

2111
01:35:10,109 --> 01:35:08,650
last not quite II I guess three quarters

2112
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:10,119
of a year whatever it's been since last

2113
01:35:15,540 --> 01:35:13,360
October things have picked up there's no

2114
01:35:19,020 --> 01:35:15,550
doubt about that Chris said you have

2115
01:35:21,449 --> 01:35:19,030
anything else for us oh no do you have

2116
01:35:23,219 --> 01:35:21,459
any more questions I don't really I

2117
01:35:26,219 --> 01:35:23,229
think we're good that we we filled our

2118
01:35:27,929 --> 01:35:26,229
hour-and-a-half it flew by you know

2119
01:35:28,589 --> 01:35:27,939
hopefully you guys got something out of

2120
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:28,599
it maybe

2121
01:35:32,699 --> 01:35:31,119
absolutely absolutely yeah it's been

2122
01:35:33,989 --> 01:35:32,709
fine it's been a fun conversation it's

2123
01:35:39,689 --> 01:35:33,999
nice to get back in the saddle after

2124
01:35:41,279 --> 01:35:39,699
cuts off and we'll let you go and thanks

2125
01:35:43,529 --> 01:35:41,289
very much for coming on obviously

2126
01:35:46,199 --> 01:35:43,539
there's gonna be more to more stuff to

2127
01:35:48,839 --> 01:35:46,209
talk about down the road and we'd be

2128
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:48,849
more than happy to to have you back so

2129
01:36:00,959 --> 01:35:51,130
long as you don't finally fully retire

2130
01:36:03,660 --> 01:36:00,969
from talking about not the case I'm

2131
01:36:05,580 --> 01:36:03,670
gonna be around right great so I yeah

2132
01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:05,590
what's let's wrap it up thanks again

2133
01:36:09,149 --> 01:36:06,159
Chris

2134
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:09,159
James you know I don't think we lost the

2135
01:36:14,250 --> 01:36:12,249
step at all during our vacation no not

2136
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:14,260
at all not at all as good as can come

2137
01:36:19,140 --> 01:36:17,530
back so we've got 18 guys not a problem

2138
01:36:22,109 --> 01:36:19,150
I'm glad to have you Chris thanks again

2139
01:36:26,609 --> 01:36:22,119
and that's about it we'll be back next

2140
01:36:29,819 --> 01:36:26,619
week Adam Dodd we're going to have Adam

2141
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:29,829
died on this month and dr. Lyn khatai is

2142
01:36:34,109 --> 01:36:31,360
gonna be on that later this month

2143
01:36:36,620 --> 01:36:34,119
talking about Phoenix lights and dr.

2144
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:36,630
Dodd is a

2145
01:36:43,740 --> 01:36:40,090
researcher in Australia who's written a

2146
01:36:45,930 --> 01:36:43,750
good bit about science and scientists

2147
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:45,940
and their attitudes towards UFOs so

2148
01:36:50,130 --> 01:36:47,290
that's gonna be a lot of fun and

2149
01:36:52,290 --> 01:36:50,140
obviously we'll have more bookings come

2150
01:36:57,330 --> 01:36:52,300
up and we'll let you know as they do and